1Password 8 will be electron, subscription only, and no longer support local vaults

Yes, I see it too.

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It is called Slow Mode. It was suggested in 2018 for topics that are heating up in order to prevent flame wars and other not so nice content. It is a nice feature to keep certain … topics open while preserving peace. :wink:

My opinion on enabling it: :+1:t2: :wink:

More on that:

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:fire: wars would never happen here. :wink:

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And, with the latest release there is WiFi syncing so you don’t need any of your password data in a cloud (although there are, of course, cloud options).

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Fails in that the notes are also stored on their cloud services. Doesn’t look like a local only option is available with a manual sync if required by hand moving files over or using my own WebDAV sync solution.

Based on your explanation, I now have the same concern.

Good counter as a background. We are placing trust in 1PW8 not only that they store our private content in the cloud but also that they follow (certified, public) guidelines in doing so.

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JJW

So if you don’t do cloud at all, how do you sync among multiple devices? Just curious.

I don’t believe in micro-aggression (yes I’m on that side of the culture wars), but throwing b**ch around online seems plainly rude and childish.
So yeah, no cursing please.
Being an edge lord stops being cool when you hit 17:)

Personal WebDAV server for those apps that support it to our in-house Synology NAS, via in house wifi or manually by hand as I am doing with Obsidian.

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Except they have, and they have cost us several knowledgeable members (whose names I prefer not to list).

Yup. I may go to Keepass at some point- or I may just find a way to convince myself to be okay with 1P.

The thing is, feature or not, the extra security is only required because they’re forcing people to use their cloud.

And their cloud is definitely more secure than other options. Alternatives other than Keepass mostly seem to be less-secure hosted cloud options.

1P had a great non-hosted option, and I read that they abandoned it because supposedly it wasn’t possible to implement certain features with local vaults.

Honestly, other than features that would logically require their cloud service, I’m not convinced that I even buy that explanation - but it’s their decision either way.

It just sucks that a great local vault option with deep platform integration has been completely abandoned in favor of a (IMHO) solution that vastly increases the likelihood of having to have the “sorry, all your data is unrecoverable” conversation.

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Agreed. I was a bit “tongue in cheek” in my comment. It is sad to see people leave.

My perspective, for what that is worth, is that some have been too sensitive while others have been too personal and harsh in their comments. We need to have both thicker skin (don’t take disagreements personally) and always a respectful tone to avoid unnecessary offense–which never serves a good purpose.

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I was pretty sure that was how you intended your comment, I was attempting to clarify.

I agree with the rest of your explanation as well, and I miss all of those that are no longer participating.

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I do understand that 1Password has to do something to keep their business going. I have a feeling that they know that many users will be unhappy with their choices and that they are unhappy about having to make tough choices that will cause them to lose long time users. However, since Apple has decided to Sherlock them what choice do they have?

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Things were straying into personal territory so we decided to enable it in this thread. It’ll probably come off tomorrow.

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I never saw anything like that happen in this topic (unless the replies were deleted)? :thinking:

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There were several posts flagged to the Moderation team.

guilty, and it won’t happen again.

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Alot of people may move to icloud for their password management. I use both icloud keychain and 1Password. Although I only use icloud for those passwords to websites that are not too important. The reason for this is - apples keychain is only as strong as its weakest password. I might use a 20 character pass to login to my mac but only use a 4 number pin for my phone. Doesn’t that mean all my passes in keychain are actually only secured by this pin? Please correct me if my logic is wrong. When you use 1password - its the same (strong) password used everywhere.

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That is true. And it is one of the reasons why a 4 number pin is absolutely not a good idea these days. It is better than nothing, but not much better than nothing… A 4 digit PIN had been fine when a phone was a phone with contacts and messages and nothing critical on it. And there still may be users where a phone is exactly that. But for many among us, the iPhone has become the primary device when being on the road or outside and it is a key to a lot of data that is living in the Apple ecosystem and potentially even outside of this ecosystem.

I have been using a alphanumeric code for several years now and it works for me. It only happens once every few days that I need to enter the alphanumeric code. Face ID does a really good job these days and in combination with an Apple Watch, it barely gets into my way.

My code consists of 8 digits - letters and numbers. I have configured my iPhone to delete itself after 10 failed attempts entering the passcode.

That is my compromise between convenience and security: An alphanumeric code (that is reasonably easy to type), Face ID bringing back the convenience and the automatic erase of the iPhone after 10 attempts - which does its job to make brute force attacks hard if my iPhone ever gets stolen or lost.

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A little side note: Of course, Face ID does also unlock 1Password on my iPhone.

Regarding the added security an alphanumeric passcode provides you with:

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