Brave vs. Firefox vs. Safari?

My experience exactly. I try to use Safari every so often but the speed issues and the surprising number of problematic websites always leave me disappointed. Firefox ended up being the source of some really odd and inexplicable hiccups (e.g., file associations would get bungled up but only when Firefox was running - bizarre), not to mention their virtue-signaling drama, and Chrome, well, it runs fine but it’s Google and all. Opera was my backup browser for a while but it was relatively slow and had hangups of it’s own.

I like Brave’s built in functions, and the few extensions I use all work well. Actually, now that I look, it seems I’m down to LastPass only. It works well.

It’s been worth it for me although I’ve relatively recently switched, and still sort of testing it. And I like the little report it gives on every new tab.


I use my laptop without a power supply most of the day and brave knocks off 3-4 hours of battery life compared to Safari. I like its speed but need the extra battery life.

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If you end up liking it send me a DM and I’ll reply with paste-in of the CSS I tweaked to replicate the Safari reader View. Here’s a typical before/after when I use Just Read:

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It’s still a work in progress, admittedly. A new beta allows for syncing bookmarks with iOS and other OS versions, but there are some limitations right now. I cannot speak to the battery drain, but given that it’s got the same base as power-hungry Chrome I wouldn’t be surprised if it was at least as hard on battery. (I use an iMac.)

Brave for iPhone still - like every other browser for iOS - must use WebKit as its foundation. Do any other alternative browsers handle 2FA differently or better? I really don’t know the answer, because I’m always using 1Password to retrieve/paste that info.

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I’m 100% 1Password too, but there are a few services that don’t offer 2FA via anything other than SMS.

For those, the experience in Safari is better because the system recognizes that a code has come into the Messages app and automatically prompts you to just paste it in—without you having to leave the browser or interact with the message notification in any way.

There aren’t a ton of those sites/services, thankfully, but whenever I encounter them and am using Safari it really does seem like a much smoother way to get into a site. Still, I continue to use both browsers in parallel, and I have a bunch of others installed too for testing and experimentation.

I think another aspect worth mentioning is the power of default. Not as much of a problem on macOS where you can set your own, but on iOS all browser actions go to Safari by default, so using that default just makes for a more seamless experience.

Absolutely. I’m pretty agnostic with my iOS browsers, given the Apple-imposed limitations. I’ll use Safari, Chrome, Firefox or Brave (or even the DuckDuckGo app!) pretty much interchangeably, and when I need a site to show me the desktop version, like some banking sites, I’ll use iCab (review here), which lets me change the browser ID to tell sites I’m using Chrome_60 on Windows. So I’m not recommending a specific 3rd-party browser on iOS.

That’s very nice indeed.

Since I moved to Brave yesterday, I’ve been playing with the Diigo bookmarking service. It’s like Pinboard + Instapaper with Evernote’s ability to save whole web pages and annotate and make notes on them. Very, very nice! And one of its capabilities is rendering pages in a nicely readable format. So while the Just Read plugin is excellent, and I do appreciate the recommendation, I’m using Diigo for that.

For now. This has all been less than a day. I do feel like my current setup will stick for a while, but I may find dealbreaker problems later today.

Those of you who use iCabMobile on the iPad. What do you use it for? I just downloaded it. I prefer Safari, but I have heard that iCab has a lot of features that Safari doesn’t have, which might come in handy when doing going iPad Pro only.

n iOS I use iCab exclusively to change the browser ID to Chrome 60, as I noted above. Some sites (eg some banking sites) don’t play well with what they think are iOS browsers.

(Many many years ago, before Safari on the Mac had Web Archives I used iCab to save iCab-proprietary webpage-bundles that held all html and images.)

I miss the reading list too. Any recommended extensions to replace it?
I’ve been using Pocket, but there’s a little more friction than using the reading list in safari.

Just checked my stats. Pretty impressive.

Nothing can be quite as frictionless as Reading List, but Instapaper and Pocket are both great. To me, they’re actual read-it-later services though, not “hold this for a sec” type things like Reading List.

The most direct replacement is probably a shelf app like Gladys, which I should really try to make better use of in this context, come to think of it…


I park stuff in Reading List all the time and forget to go through it, resulting in months of stuff I have to delete :upside_down_face:

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Three options:

  • Just use Bookmarks. Save it to a folder called “Reading List” if you don’t want to mix that in with your regular bookmarks.
  • Use the One Tab extension. Funny thing, I’ve had that extension installed on Chrome/Brave for literally years but never made much use of it. I only started using it more heavily in the past week and holy crap it is fantastic.
  • I’ve been using Diigo as a read-it-later service. Diigo is like with highlighting and annotation.

None of these will help you with offline reading, if you need that.

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Thanks for the suggestions.
I ran across the cryptically named Reading List extension, and it works very well. Lives in the address bar, shows up in the right-click menu for links, etc.

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Does it let you view saved pages on the iPhone or iPad?

Dreams dashed. It looks like no.
Probably best to use a Reading List bookmark group as you suggested, and wait for ios <-> macos sync. At least for things I want to be cross-device. Reading List would still work for local items.

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OK I’ll bite, what are the extensions that you use (the plural you as in everyone in this thread) that keep you from using Safari?

I only have 2 extensions active in Safari, clip to DEVONThink and 1Password.

In Firefox all I ever use is the old SQLite Manager and I stay on an old rev of Firefox too because of that.

Never use Chrome except when I was trying ti as a desktop version of LambTracker but since that is now deprecated I’ve been really tempted to remove the app from my machines entirely.

Then again, seems like a lot of you use reader view or reader list. What for? I’ve always hated that if I mistype sometimes things end up in that stupid reader list in the Safari Sidebar and I lose them. For me either I have time to read the web page or I need it as reference. I don’t save web stuff to read for later unless I feel its worthy of saving as a reference document.

So what am I missing?

Just Read. Does the same thing on Brave/Chrome that Reader view does on Safari. I read a lot of news articles. Formatting on newspaper and magazine websites are famously awful. Also, they’re bloated with javascript and other adware. Just Read cuts down on the clutter.

1Password. Doesn’t seem to work with Brave but I have it anyway.

Buffer, for scheduling to social media.

OneTab. Saves and closes open tabs. Because of my habit of reading news and magazine websites, if I have more than about 10 pages open, my entire MacBook Pro slows to a crawl. (I have no objection to ads in principle – they’re how my paycheck is funded – but the entire existing ad ecosystem needs to be burned to the ground and the soil sown with salt.)

Two extensions for BookmarkOS, for saving and viewing bookmarks. Because Brave does not sync bookmarks to iOS, BookmarkOS is how I keep bookmarks. And I may stick with it even after Brave gets iOS support for syncing; I just like it.

Diigo. My current read-it-later service.

And the Evernote Web Clipper.

I’m too lazy to provide links. I assume you know how to use teh googlez if you see something you like on my list.

And now I’m reviewing the list here and wondering if I can go back to Safari.

I’m a safari guy. It just works better in MacOS. the integration with Messages for two-factor authentication is amazing, it’s prettier, it’s more energy-efficient, and I find that it’s just nicer to be in.

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