Excluding project lists from your task manager

You’ll hit the same problem that drives a lot of people to digital tools in the first place, if there’s no link between Projects and Next Actions you waste a lot of time scanning through lists trying to find what you’re looking for. This is especially true at the Weekly Review, when you systematically trawl through your Project list and find every Next Action related to each one. But its true through the week too, like when you’re getting input relating to existing Projects and need to amend your existing Next Actions. You’re left relying on memorisation of your lists to find what you need.

There’s also a couple of other minor downsides, like having due dates in multiple places, and not being able to have nested sub-projects.

If you want a way of making it easier to link your Projects to your Notes and other support materials, just use Hookmarks to make a bi-directional link. I have it set up so that when I trigger the Hookmarks shortcut, it makes a folder in Devonthink with the same name as the project. I put all my notes, files and whatnots into that folder, then its only ever a keystroke away.

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Curio does this nicely with a Status panel view.

The output is stored as an HTML. I’ve integrated the HTML via GeekTools to show on my Desktop. I can also access the HTML Status Panel (view only) on my iPad because I store it in iCloud.

In reference to the OPs underlying question, the discussions here seem by consensus to support a division of views between a top-down (project based) versus bottom up (task based). Whether you have one tool (OmniFocus or Obsidian or …) to do both views or you use two tools to leverage different advantages in each separate case is mostly a matter of personal preference and/or coding+tinkering ability.


JJW

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To sum up what I’ve read in this thread: in matters of taste, there can be no dispute.

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Properly maintaining a project list is a pillar of GTD but doing so has always been something where I have fallen short. Several weeks ago I concluded that what would be far more helpful than a list would be a Kanban-style board of “Active” projects where I can readily see the status of each project. So the comments here from @DrJJWMac about Kanban in Curio grabbed my attention.

But first, some definitions may be in order. David Allen always considered a project to be anything that took more than one discrete action to complete. I find that by that definition my project list becomes so unwieldy I tend to avoid working with it. So in order to keep the list to a manageable size, I handle the smaller projects in a task manager. I have no hard and fast rules here, but these “mini-projects” require more than one action but can generally be completed in one sitting or in 2 or 3 sessions over a week or two at the most. Most of the task managers mentioned in these forums allow sub-tasks and notes, and therefore links to resources, and are adequate for the job. For what it’s worth, I’ve used OmniFocus, Things, TickTock, and Noteplan and currently use Todoist.

The “Active” projects in my projects list are much larger in scope and require more time and resources to complete than the Mini-projects in my task manager. These are things I am either currently working on, are gestating, have been paused, or are “over the horizon”; with over-the-horizon loosely defined as anything I expect to engage with within the next two years and is capturing enough of my mental bandwidth that it is worth tracking and re-visiting from time to time. Anything further out in time, regardless of the scope and scale, will be recorded in a Someday/Maybe list in my task manager.

Unfortunately, I don’t yet have the Kanban-style project status board that I want. I do have Curio, which I use as a project workspace for especially large and complex projects, but for a variety of reasons I have chosen to patch together a system to track active projects in a table in Capacities, where I tag each project with its status. Capacities does not yet have board views, although that presumably is on their roadmap. And unfortunately, tags in capacities are used universally and one can not designate the sort order as one can in Notion tables. So I end up with tags that start with numbers so that they sort in the order I want, i.e. 01-Doing, 02-Paused, 03-Up Next, 04-Active, 05-On Hold, 07-Cancelled. And I have to be careful not to confuse them with the tags I use to track books: 01-reading, 02-Next Up, 03-To Read, etc.

It’s not an ideal solution, and hopefully Capacities will evolve to allow something much more elegant. But I’ve been a Capacities “Believer” for 16 months and it has become a central hub for capturing and tracking information as I go through the day and linking it to relevant objects. Should I ever need to pull the rip cord, it can be exported into folders of Markdown files and opened as a vault in Obsidian where it behaves just as it would had it been created in Obsidian. That is reassuring.

But fundamentally, it’s smaller projects in a task manager, large “Active” projects tracked in Capacities and worked on in either Capacities, Curio, or even Craft. And projects of any size and scope that are more than two years away on a Someday/Maybe list in Todoist. And I concur with @DrJJWMac that a Kanban-style board is the way to go.

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What about Trello?

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A fair question.

Trello-style functionality is what I want but within a board view in Capacities. I’ve already decided to track projects in Capacities because of the ease of linking relevant thoughts and information that I encounter throughout the day to them with the assurance they will re-surface as and when appropriate. So using Trello instead of Capacities would not be an option. Using Trello in addition to Capacities would mean maintaining two copies of the same list in two different places and I don’t trust myself to do an adequate job of that.

Capacities already has gallery and wall views of cards, in addition to list and table views. So I’m hopeful that creating a board view of cards arrayed in attribute columns where the attribute (i.e. “Status”) of an individual card adjusts as it is dragged from one attribute column to another would not be insurmountable.

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