iPad pro has gone backwards

I was one of the people who bemoaned the loss of Slideover.

However, yesterday I used the new windowing system to mimic my old Slideover use case. Before iPadOs26, I would have one big window open showing music and then I would use Slideover to bring in a NotePlan window to keep track of what we sang.

Yesterday, I had one almost full-size window with the music and a smaller window on the side, so that the small window was just visible at the outer edge of the big window. I will argue that it was easier for me to tap on that small window to bring it forward and write in it than it was in the old days when I had to get the Slideover gesture right.

So I’m quite happy with iPadOS26 on my 13” M1 iPad Pro.

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It sounds like a lot of the issues you’re having are the result of developers not yet adapting apps to iPadOS 26. Remember, this is the beta period. It will probably take a little while after the public release for all of the app developers to modify their apps to fit the new system.

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That’s probably part of the problem. But even Apple Notes won’t show the handwriting tool when the Notes screen is at 50% on the 11” iPad. :slightly_frowning_face:

Use the Feedback Assistant to report the problem – that’s why they have betas, to get help identifying and fixing the bugs.

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Not to quibble, but Beta is not just for bugs. And I’m sure it’s not just because of me, but I’ve had success pointing out to Apple about quality of life issues with OS Betas for years. Some of which get cleaned up before general release and some afterwards. It’s a crapshoot, but if you don’t voice your opinion, Apple can’t respond to issues. YMMV!

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Yes, I understand that betas are for more than just reporting bugs. I was responding to the “bug” type issues that WayneG was referring to. I’ve used Feedback Assistant myself to suggest user interface improvements. :slightly_smiling_face:

They’ve been refining this for how many years now? I would suggest the word “refine” is misplaced on this subject. I advocate “change” in it’s place.

A few hours with iPadOS 26 doesn’t make me an expert, but the new window management has, IMO, some welcome improvements. But they may not be for everyone.

We can hope, but it took them five years to replace the butterfly keyboard. And problems with that started almost from its introduction.

@Bmosbacker, thank you for your very comprehensive and detailed response. It provides me further food for thought.

My work roughly correlates with your as it is executive, focused on brief writing, contract bid preparations and preparing presentations, planning and reports and minor input to the odd spreadsheet. The heavily lifting of spreadsheets is done by other staff thankfully.

I travel a lot also for work, probably on planes 2 times a months…

I like the modular aspect of the IPad which has a large but different benefit from a Mac. And sometimes vice versa. Want to take notes or read - remove the Magic Keyboard, want to write an email, report, plan, review documents/reports - leave it in the Magic Keyboard.

Your excellent overview makes me ponder my Mac use. As said, I use a Dell for work but at home the MacBook gathers dust and only sees daylight about once every 1-2 months for about 30 minutes, which on reflection says a lot about my need. Once I stop working, and have no Dell, I severely doubt I would need a fancy laptop. But the lure of a shiny MacBook Air or Pro is always there - sparkly new toy syndrome.

Regarding sensitive documents storage, i presume you mean you have applied Advanced Data Protection on iCloud?. I have nothing to hide so-to-speak but valuable my privacy, and suffer a degree of healthy paranoia re cycber security from my former Defence background.

Apps for me are very basic and are basically the Apple suite. I use Ulysses periodically, but avoided Devon Think only because I felt it might be another rabbit hole to disappear down. I used Office 365 when I was doing academic work but when that ceased, I cancelled my subscription. The double handling and quirks of OneDrive were a deterrent. Zoom is my only outlier for needing a Mac as hosting or acting as Tech support for a local community council necessitates creating rooms and sharing videos etc which I haven’t mastered on the Zoom app.

All that said, i find my IPad Pro 11 (M4) does 90% of my tasks, and I use my MacBook Air another 5%, for the remainder of activities, presentations, strategic planning, spreadsheets, I use the 12.9 IPad Pro for presentation, strategic planning and cross reference other documents as I write. On those occasions the 11” is not quite big enough. I could use an external monitor but the big 12.9” canvas is great and mobile.

Seems like I am resolving my own queries through this discussion re the need for a MacBook, which is helpful. It is almost a “security blanket” device (I must be Linus from Snoopy) just in case the 12.9 is too clunky.

Thanks again for a very informative response and good luck with your next test phase.

I was just referring to the new multi-window management… but in terms of multitasking I’ve been hearing the “software is behind the hardware” argument since the times of the iPad Air 2, and Stage Manager never stuck with me, so your point is right.

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And cost them a lot of money…

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provides me further food for thought.

I hope I haven’t served you junk food. :slightly_smiling_face:

applied Advanced Data Protection on iCloud?

I have not. I was referring instead to exporting important documents to an external drive for backup and creating zipped folders that I also upload to Google Drive. I like the redundancy for my important work and documents.

At this point, I’m only using Ulysses for my book project. Ulysses is much better on the iPad than Scrivener.

As for a Mac, it occurred to me recently (I’m a slow learner :slightly_smiling_face:) that I can simply create a profile on my wife’s MBA for the rare occasions when I actually need a Mac. Security blankets are good, my wife’s MBA will be mine.

I’m curious how you find the 11” iPad for your work. I currently have both the 13” and 11”. I prefer the size and weight of the 11”, but I also appreciate the larger screen real estate of the 13”. Using two iPads feels somewhat wasteful, though I may end up keeping both. I suppose I could use the 11” and connect it to my monitor when I need a larger screen, but oddly enough, over the years I’ve grown to dislike sitting at a desk. I’d rather work on the couch in my office. I have a very nice study at home, but even there I often end up working in a recliner in my study. :person_shrugging:

How do you find the 11” for your work?

Thank you for so much detail! I am in no hurry to upgrade. I also find the current windowing easy and practical.

I saw one comment that the user turned Stage Manager back on. Not sure how much help that could be. I tried it on my ipad air and preferred the standard windowing.

I’m curious about others iPad issues. I’m in control of how many apps I have open on my iPad. If I want the single app experience, I use just that app at that time. if I need two or three I move between them. Apple’s changes may not be to everyone’s liking but to sound the death knell of the future of iPad seems too extreme.

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No junk food at all. More grist for the iPad decision mill. Thanks.

Your wife’s security blanket Mac sounds like a sensible approach, if you can tear the blanket from her hands. :slight_smile:

The 11” IPad for work?. Good question. I find it wonderful for emails, handwritten notes, speaking notes, reading etc. It is also fantastic for the odd movie, streaming music. I am not a gamer so that aspect is irrelevant for me.

For more comprehensive work needing two apps such as referencing information from one document (app)/webpage whilst editing in another app such as Pages, it is functional but not delightful. The reduced screen size just makes the process feel a little cramped. That’s where the 13” excels.

I also don’t spend much time using the 11” or 13” connected to a monitor. It works well enough but there is still a clunky aspect (possibly my lack of familiarity) which deters me.

The IPad just feels like a device which needs to be set free from the desk and is a do anything, anywhere, anytime device. A device though which you can happily use in the Magic Keyboard at a desk, with or without an external monitor.

Finally, there is something ineffable about the Ipad which for me makes it a “light and breezy” machine whilst sitting down to my laptop, as rare as that is, engenders a sense of focused intent on what I am doing - a “I am here to get real work done not read, surf the net, or write simple emails”. That’s a mind set not a device aspect but possibly arises from having started with Mac’s years ago.

This discussion inclines me to agree with Apple that the IPad is a companion device not a primary device. I appreciate that leisure users, retirees and younger people wouldn’t share my view and that the IPad is a suitable only device for them. Interestingly my late teen daughter, who has a MacBook Air and IPad, barely if ever uses her IPad and uses her MBA as an all purpose device, carrying it everywhere like an IPad.

Perhaps when I no longer use a company laptop my views will change and the MBA will play a greater role. In the interim, I find the 11” a great adjunct device.

So more succinctly put, the 11” doesn’t offer the same benefit for work the 13”/12.9” does for me. On the flip side, the 13” is great for productivity but a tad too big to use comfortably for leisure reading. Perhaps I should try putting it in a folio case and not leave in the MK instead?

Our discussions on this topic have inspired me to try using my 12.9” iPad as an only device, once IpadOS 26 is released, and see where I land. Or I need to try connecting both the 11” and 12.9 to external monitor to become more adapt in that usage, and perhaps that makes an 11” best placed for productivity when needed. I may also consider a 13” and Kindle for leisure reading? Analysis paralysis……

I know you tried that experiment previously and eventually returned to your MBP. So, I look forward to hearing how you iPad0S26 trial of the IPad as an only device fairs.

I apologise that this has been a long and somewhat turgid post, and it could have benefited from a polish. But to quote Churchill, “I am sorry I didn’t have time to write you a shorter letter”.

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The title of this thread suggests that I think that iPad has got worse (not that it’s untenable in general), and I believe that’s the case.

The fact that the new full window mode causes me significant friction in use, that I never liked Stage Manager either, and that the Full Screen Mode is too simple for my use means that I’m seriously considering going back to the Mac (which is ironic as many are considering going the other way)

I may be in the minority, but that doesn’t matter to me. The device (iPad) which has been my primary computer for approx 15 years is no longer a good fit for me

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I thoroughly enjoyed reading your response. The “dialogue” is a stimulating way to think through these issues, and I always appreciate a good Churchill quote. :slightly_smiling_face:

A bit of background may help frame my perspective. I have used computers since before IBM introduced the PC. When an Apple sales representative first approached me about trying a Mac, I resisted. After two weeks with the demo unit, I returned it, convinced I was perfectly content with my Dell and Windows software. I even launched a 1:1 laptop program in my school using Toshiba laptops. But, the sales rep was persistent, and eventually I succumbed to the Siren Call. Since then, I have relied on Apple products, even leading the adoption of comprehensive 1:1 programs in three schools.

That history would suggest I’d naturally prefer the MacBook, but I don’t. I instinctively reach for the iPad unless a task requires the Mac, which is becoming increasingly rare. I own a M4 14” MacBook Pro, but it is not my preferred platform. The iPad has spoiled me for several reasons:

  • I type faster and with fewer errors on the Magic Keyboard than on the MacBook Pro’s keyboard, though I cannot explain why.
  • The new iPad screen is beautiful. By comparison, the MacBook’s display looks dull.
  • I prefer the weight and proportions of the iPads (11” and 13”) over the MBP.
  • I do most of my work away from my desk. Over time, I’ve grown to dislike sitting at a desk for extended times.
  • The modular nature of the iPad is wonderful. It allows me to do things I cannot do on a Mac.
  • Ninety-five percent of my work is text-based. For example, I can compose a speech on the iPad and then, before speaking, use the Apple Pencil to make quick last minute annotations on my notes.
  • I have dramatically simplified my app stack. Beyond a few utilities and DEVONthink as a conversion tool, I rely on a small set of core apps. This screenshot shows the apps I use for 99% of my work.

In my first thirty-day experiment with an iPad-only workflow, I encountered difficulties, which I described elsewhere. Since then, Apple has improved Notes, I rarely use Google Workspace, I’ve moved away from Scrivener, and I’ve delegated nearly all spreadsheet work to my EA and CFO. As a result, I find little need for the Mac.

As I wrote earlier, I am reversing the normal order. Rather than using the MacBook Pro as my primary computer and the iPad as my mobile device, I now use the iPad as my primary computer and the Mac only when necessary. In other words, the MacBook Pro has become my backup machine. Based on what I’ve read about iPadOS 26, most of the remaining friction points will soon disappear, at least for my workflow needs.

In short, I am almost certain (I always allow myself an escape clause :slightly_smiling_face:) that I can depend on the iPad for all my professional and personal work. My primary dilemma is whether to use one iPad, the 11” or 13”, or to keep both. Two is ideal, though it feels a bit indulgent.

Of course, I will not make a final decision until I’ve spent at least a month working with iPadOS 26, but I remain optimistic that I can rely on the iPad for nearly everything. :crossed_fingers:t2:

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I totally agree. I never had a job that kept me in an office all day. Not even the ones before Apple and IBM introduced us to “personal computers”. And an iPad, rather than a laptop, would have been my first choice at most of them. A laptop requires me to stop and place the computer in my lap or on a table, etc. A iPad doesn’t.

An iPad is, IMO, like a Swiss Army knife. It might not be the perfect tool for every job, but it is capable of getting the job done when many other “tools” cannot. YMMV.

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Swiss Army knife is a great analogy. And your point about having to stop and place a laptop is a great way to look at pc/mac devices. Thanks

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Disclaimer: I am not on iPadOS 26 yet, but I don’t have much issue with the iPad Pro at all. In fact, I often prefer it to my Mac Studio. I mostly have the iPad Pro sitting on an arm attached to my recliner with Pencil, Magic Trackpad and Keyboard connected via Bluetooth.

However, not all software is equal. Case in point: Microsoft. PowerPoint totally sucks for creation and editing of decks. Display and review are fine, though. Outlook and Teams are about equally bad as on the PC, so…

What really shines for me on iPad are:

  • PDF markup with Pencil in PDF Expert when reading/studying reports
  • Vector drawing using Affinity Designer
  • Photo editing using Affinity Photo
  • The seamless access across notes in Obsidian and Drafts
  • Reading and posting to Mastodon using Ivory

Even the later iterations of Files have become really useful, letting me easily access both my Mac Studio and Synology. Safari is also my default browser and works well enough IMO.

Probably will miss Terminology in slide-over, though.