Making Sense Of Apple Protections For Children

You are an enigma, at least to me. You post viewpoints that are extremely insightful and thought-provoking, and then you come out with “jokes” like this, which are neither. Call me dense, but I cannot discern your “jokes” without some context. Furthermore, I very much dislike personal attacks on community members.

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there was no personal attack. you apparently are just looking for excuses to virtue signal. if you didn’t like the joke, ok, but rein in your imagination. or you can just keep attacking me until this thread gets closed also which appears to be your motive as your posts are only directed at me personally. try private messages.

I haven’t. I’ll make a note of it and try to get it together. There’s a lot to digest. There are so many pluses, but also some major negatives too. :slight_smile:

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To me he seemed like a kid whose mother had just found his stash of Playboy magazines.

I wonder what he will say when some Senator asks him, “Mr. Federighi, when will you be rolling out your child protection software on the Mac?”.

I think they would have a harder time on the mac. they could probably implement it but devs could find ways to block it.

That is not my goal, and I have no interest in attacking you. Suppose we just leave it at that. :crossed_fingers:

Sounds like a winner. :+1:

Thank you EVER so much for your detailed analysis!

I have so many thoughts about this myself and I am not supporting it al all. And I’ve spent most of my life advocating for kids.

Acc. to their policy, they are even warning these creeps. And in the event they detect something, Apple will refer it to the Center for Exploited Children (or something similar). My point being it is not going to be reported to law enforcement where it belongs.

Unreasonable searches and seizures is in the Constitution for many good reasons.

But what I don’t understand is why cannot law enforcement just approach a judge with enough probable cause to issue a warrant to search their machines? Also a warrant delineates specifically what they are looking for.

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My guess is that they have bigger fish to fry.

Who? The cops?

Btw, I checked the ACLU and they were not saying anything I could find. But that was a few days ago.

I wasn’t aware that someone had found a way to modify the read only system volume. But if things play out the way I expect I’m pretty sure the challenge will be political not technical.

not remove it. block it. I am sure certain processes on the mac side can be blocked if identified. isn’t it server side scanning only though? until this is implemented, its all guesses.

By “they”, I meant the justice system in general. There’s so much crap going on now, I don’t know how they get anything done.

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The scanning for iMages going to iCloud is mainly done for legal reasons so that Apple can’t be hold liable for the distribution of these images. Same practice by Google, Microsoft, Facebook and all other hosted image sharing services.

The difference is that Apple scans locally on the device before it goes to the cloud. In theory this has more privacy then scanning on the cloud.

Same reason for other services and encryption are done on the device rather then in the cloud. Something we are praising Apple for.

The additional benefit of having this technology on the device is that they can actively prevent children from sending and receiving inappropriate images. Contrary to the scanning for known child porn images on iCloud THIS WILL MAKE A DIFFERENCE
Unfortunately no one talks about this benefit.

Regardless there is the uneasy notion that the iPhone (for now) can monitor images, Siri questions and Searches and potentially report them back.

This is the slippery slope where abbuse and/or mission creep will happen.

We have to be vigilant to see if Apple holds the line.

If law enforcement has a good reason gain access to a users data they can already do so with a suppeana… Game over.

Again its a delicate balance between convenience, privacy and in this case child safety.
We have to be aware that “protect the children” is not an excuse to invade more into our privacy and potentially freedom.

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Just for fun, what topics or issues had the highest opens, or tend to have them?

I find a similar lack of any opinion, supportive or concerned, outside my bubbles on this particular issue.

@MacExpert, I agree with everything you say except the “slippery slope” issue. To me, the slippery slope is the uneasy feeling that this technology will become the basis for something more nefarious.

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I agree thats why I packed and ready to leave the moment the balance tips in the wrong direction.

Sure, but where will you go? Windoze? Not a chance. Linux? My wife would never stand for it (and she’d be right).

The one about cclaiming your social security account before someone else grabs your name was the most popular in the past year or so (90% opening rate)

If you’re talking about iDevices, then there is every chance that law enforcement can’t access them, warrant or not. I’m not a lawyer, but my understanding is that people can’t be compelled to give up their passcode in order to provide access to the device in question.

Part of the objection to all of this is that there are many regimes that do not afford their citizens the same protections as your country does to you.

(As I’ve said before, I’m neither defending nor condoning what Apple is doing here)