Prime Just Ruffled My Feathers!

Cancelled my Prime a few hours ago when Amazon were good enough to email me a reminder.

I absolutely disagree that they’re just adding an ad-supported tier. It’s not true. They’re degrading the service I pay for in a very specific way - relying on the fact that a lot of people simply won’t do anything and will put up with the adds because it’s going to be more profitable for Amazon to sell those customers to advertisers than to sell the higher tier product to those customers.

Amazon have not increased the price of the current service, which I would have been ok with. They’ve implemented an anti-pattern intended to push customers on their current service onto a worse service that’s more profitable for Amazon.

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This seems like another step in Amazon’s cycle of decline.

They used to be about selling a wide variety of reasonable goods that would get to you quickly and reliably if you paid a subscription.

They’ve been on the path of being much more a “marketplace” in which they scrape value from customers and sellers at every step for a long time.

They charge sellers and welcome pretty much anyone, not worrying about the quality, they sell advertising to those sellers and make the targeted advertising much more prominent than the goods. They sell distribution and delivery to those sellers. They pump up the content of the subscription to gain more and more information about their subscribers and customers to sell to advertisers and others and now they want to charge subscribers to opt out of them adding even more advertising.

There are little bits of Amazon that are still unusually good (their book stock and kindle system, for example) and they can still deliver something tomorrow that I want, that would take me days to find otherwise, but I don’t enjoy shopping with them at all any more and I enjoy subscribing even less: I wonder every time about the content of the “customer profile” and exactly who they are selling it to.

Sadly, their initial campaign to dominate online sales has been successful enough to ensure that a new, disruptive company with a better business model is unlikely to emerge as it’s all too risky, and they’ve effectively closed down a lot of specialist retailers in every city.

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Ok. I wasn’t comparing with cable services, I was only comparing the beginning of postal services then digital streaming with where we are now. I’m in the UK and France, where the majority of households never paid for additional broadcasting services in either country (even at its peak it was less than half of UK households and it was primarily motivated by a desire for sports channels, not movie and tv).

I see you’re in the UK. I’ve mostly managed to untangle myself from Amazon for paper books - services like Wordery, Hive and now Bookshop I think can match Amazon 9 times out of 10 (in terms of sourcing titles, though pricing is usually good too). I’ve had little issue with my own eclectic tastes, though Amazon does still tend to be able to get out of print books when others fail - I tend to wield it as a last resort. Plus of course we have many independent sellers if you’re willing to pay a little more to support them (and they grew during the pandemic so lots of folk are, but we need to sustain that!). Depending on your reading interests there are still specialist booksellers around that can serve most your genre-specific needs, but it takes a little time to find them.

I’ve given up trying to find a replacement for digital books - Amazon pretty much dominate the market (for me) here.

For really random stuff where Amazon used to excel, I’ve found eBay to cope much of the time. It’s probably not much better ethics-wise, but I like to think I’m supporting some random person who’s managed to set up a niche business selling X widget on eBay.

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I will cancel as well. Besides feeling cheated for having to pay to ad-free watch something I already pay for, I am really annoyed about content vanishing. I accept that for third party movies that are available for a limited time. But even Amazon Original productions suddenly are behind the paywall. I started a series, couldn’t watch it for a while and when I came back I was supposed to buy or rent it!?

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I cancelled yesterday after receiving the mail from Amazon. 33% more monthly costs (here in Germany) to keep the current features cannot be justified by inflation or similar. Deliveries are still free if they go to an Amazon locker (I have one nearby). And I have enough other stuff to watch.

I also agree that regarding shopping it became a huge dump for cheap chinese stuff, which is often camouflaged as local products or small startups. If You know what you’re looking for, Amazon is often the cheapest place. But if you’re trying to find a quality product it’s not a good place to start.

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Which series is that you’re talking about? I’ve never seen that, and I’m curious. :slight_smile:

Although Amazon is really good at gaming their prices. I can see higher prices when I’m logged into Amazon from my main Mac than when I look up the same item as an anonymous user after clearing my cache on another device.

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The Night Manager (who must be at least 20 characters)

Preacher was also ending for free, but I managed to finish it on time.

Only a bit of a click-bait headline? :grinning:

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Especially if you expect to find it by browsing or their search tool! Both have become increasingly useless wastelands. If I’m looking for something specific, I’ve learned that I’ll have much higher chances of success by searching via google with a “[thing I’m looking for] Amazon” format.

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When looking for specific items I occasionally search amazon.com with Google. Then log into Amazon from another browser to see if the price changes when I search there.

Wrote a blog post about building an Apple TV library by cancelling streaming services.

Money saved by cancelling 2 streaming services has made my Apple TV library 65 movies and 18 TV Seasons bigger.

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If you insist on assigning value to words you are walling yourself off from the world. But you can’t then complain that the world should agree with your value assignments and restrict themselves accordingly. If that were the majority viewpoint it would already be happening, but today’s vocabulary emphasizes (rightly so in some ways) the intentions of words, not just the words themselves. There is a difference between someone saying the ‘f’ word as a colloquialism (like “well ‘f’ me!”) and someone using it as part of an angry, violent tirade, getting in your face and screaming " ‘f’ you buddy!" Same word, different intentions, different value. This is where the religious right went off the rails, scanning songs and movies for word content. The world has moved on and worries not about such things.

One further example for you. Do you get offended by so-called ‘vulgar’ words in foreign cultures? I’m sure Slow Horses has plenty of bloody, bollocks, bugger and wanker in it, but those are only historically vulgar in the U.K., not the U.S. So each word can offend a certain subset, which proves that it’s not the words themselves that are bad, but the value being assigned to them by the listener, and potentially the speaker. Same for hand signs. Brits might look at you with amusement if you give them the middle finger, as you would if they waved two fingers at you. Each culture assigns different values to the gestures as well.

But you are right to be concerned about sexual and violent content. They are used lazily and automatically by writers who seem to think they are required. Murder mysteries, police procedurals, military mayhem, criminal masterminds, spy vs spy, romcoms, fantasy monsters - it has become accepted that sex and violence sell. I have no problem with either in moderation, but their prevalence in the hours of video that my eyes watch is so removed from my everyday life that it eventually makes me want to consume a lot less of what passes for entertainment these days. I say this not from a moral perspective but just a sense of weariness. The language bothers me not as it mirrors the real world very closely.

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Incidentally, apparently Amazon is laying off content people in the Prime Video division.

https://www.reuters.com/technology/amazon-lay-off-employees-prime-video-studios-divisions-information-2024-01-10/

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@dixonge, thank you for your thoughtful reply. One of the refreshing things about this forum is the intelligence and civility of the conversations. Your reply reflects both. :slightly_smiling_face:

Just a couple of thoughts in response:
As to “If you insist on assigning value to words, you are walling yourself off from the world,” I don’t think that is quite right. As you rightfully point out later, every culture and every person assigns value (or meaning) to words. That is why the words one uses are so important. If all words are considered of equal value, then there is no reason to labor on choosing the “right” word. You hint at this and are right to point out that words are used for different purposes or with different intent. You agree that sex and violence are often used “Lazily and automatically by writers.” I agree. The same can be said for the use of the F word and other vulgarities. For example, in the show Slow Horses, it is not just Lamb that makes liberal use of profanity; it is most of the characters—and very often. It strikes me not as the thoughtful, carefully structured literary use of a verbal device but as the lazy and gratuitous use of a now-normalized vulgarity.

As to “If that were the majority viewpoint it would already be happening,” I take little stock in a majoritarian argument for the rightness of anything. The majority can be wrong and often is. The question is, by what criteria do we judge the appropriateness or inappropriateness of any word? Clearly, at one time in our history, the “N” word was considered acceptable by the majority. It now is not, and rightly so. It should never have been acceptable. As a Christian, I take seriously the intrinsic value of every human being because each bears the image of his or her Creator. The time frame in which a word is used and the extent to which it is accepted are not the best criteria for judging the worth of a word. Words can have intrinsic merit or demerit.

Moreover, most would agree that cultures evolve positively or devolve negatively, and most of the time, do both simultaneously. For instance, we have made tremendous but imperfect and incomplete progress in addressing racism. In that instance, we are evolving and progressing. On the other hand, the dismantling of the two-parent, married family is proving to be socially and economically devastating to children and women in particular. This is not progress; it is regression. The same happens with language. A culture’s language can progress to higher levels of civility and literary quality or regress. The prevalence of vulgarity and the tendency to normalize vulgarity down is evidence of regression.

When you state, “but their [sex and violence] prevalence in the hours of video that my eyes watch is so removed from my everyday life that it eventually makes me want to consume a lot less of what passes for entertainment these days. I say this not from a moral perspective but just a sense of weariness.” If sex and violence were more prevalent in your life, would you want to consume more in your entertainment? And, if it makes you weary, perhaps that is because it is morally and intellectually degrading rather than ennobling. I don’t think one would grow weary with things that are beautiful and intellectually and morally uplifting. I, for one, will take more of that! :slightly_smiling_face:

As to “This is where the religious right went off the rails, scanning songs and movies for word content. The world has moved on and worries not about such things,” I partly agree. Clearly, those on the right who operate from a fundamentalist, legalistic, and self-righteous perspective, no matter how well intended, do not contribute constructively to culture. On the other hand, they are not fundamentally (pun intended :slightly_smiling_face:) wrong in being concerned. The concern is valid, but the approach is not always so much. I will add that the “world has moved on” doesn’t say anything about the merits of the direction in which it is moving. It could be moving in a bad direction. :slightly_smiling_face:

Probably enough has been said about this. I don’t wish to get in trouble with the moderators. :slightly_smiling_face: Thanks again for your thoughtful and respectful response.

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As an ex-fundamentalist Christian (and now ex-Christian atheist) (I almost made it to 40 years) I have some rather strong opinions on the topic, but I’ll refrain as much as possible :slight_smile:

re: Slow Horses - I don’t believe that any of the show writers think of ‘profanity’ as a verbal device. I think they are being true to the characters. How else would world-weary screw-ups, assigned to the outer reaches, having seen a world of horrific things, talk? It would be completely out of character (and hence unbelievable) if they all walked around speaking proper King’s English and never resorting to slang or profanity. However, and you’ll have to take my word on this, I honestly don’t notice. Not once have I looked up at my wife and said “Wow, these guys cuss a lot!” I doubt she noticed either. And that says nothing about culture or morality, it is merely an indicator of language drift over time, which is neither positive or negative, nor regression – it just is.

Anyhoo, that’s my .02

Some folks on this forum may be old enough to remember the television program, The Six Million Dollar Man. One episode of the program had the titular character working with inner city kids, and one scene was on a basketball court. It was a cringe worthy scene, not because they used ‘vulgar’ language, but rather because they did not. And thus the scene came across as phony.

There is however, clearly a difference between being authentic, and adding to the program, and being lazy and gratuitous.


In a conversation in a different context, with a number of birding friends, the topic of Swarovski’s ‘AI-powered’ binoculars came up (the bins ID the bird in view). And one comment was, “Human intellect will simply die…….”, to which I responded, “Pretty much what been said since written language was invented.” (With apologies to Socrates.)

The world moves on.