!The Results are In-Conclusion! 1 Month iPad Only Experiment with New M4 iPad Pro

Apparently, I’m in pretty good company. :slightly_smiling_face:

Craig Federighi:

I love my iPad. I probably spend at least as much, maybe more time on my iPad doing a whole variety of things than I do on my Mac. I also love my Mac. I do not want them to become the same device.

When you use your iPad Pro right now, it’s the best iPad experience you can ever imagine, and that’s worth a lot to a lot of people. I mean, that is a great experience.

And we want to keep making iPad the best iPad it can be. We are not trying to create a Windows 8 PC or whatever.

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Yeah I found that to be a very clear statement on the future of the iPad. It tells me I will always own a Mac, too, and that’s ok.

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Adding [a bit more than] my two cents as I’ve tried to go iPad only in a few specific contexts over the years and have found this discussion to be of interest. Every few years it becomes more doable, but:

  • I tried doing it as a grad student in 2012 with what was then the first iPad retina if I remember the terminology correctly. It was reading PDFs and writing intensive, so it kind of worked, but I ended up on a MacBook Air after a semester for managing everything.
  • I tried again while taking some classes in 2019, and while the experience was more manageable, I still found file management and quick, on-the-fly changes to be cumbersome and ended up lugging my MacBook with me to class.
  • I tried again as a professor, in 2021, using an iPad Pro in class and leaving the Mac at home. I could run presentations, do work with students, take notes, etc. on the iPad, but I found I would start delegating lots of small tasks to “on the Mac”, because I found it cumbersome to do them on an iPad. It’s the small but fundamental stuff like moving files, managing downloads, etc. that would take a matter of seconds on a Mac but minutes on an iPad. For instance, I rely heavily on DEVONthink, which I find much easier to manage files with on a Mac, even if it works well for annotating, finding, and viewing documents on an iPad. Also, occasionally I would have to do some problem solving: a file wasn’t in the right place; a document hadn’t been exported to the right format etc., and it was just too much work to try and fix that on the spot, especially in front of a class of students.
  • And I was recently traveling for a couple of weeks, and brought an iPad mini with me, along with an iPhone. The phone was really my camera and map, but I used the iPad to manage the trip (notes, diaries, itineraries, tickets, etc.) and also keep things running at home in various ways. I have to say, the mini shined in this capacity, but there were a few tasks that would pop up in my task manager I simply deferred until when I was home.

(Included the years as I think the evolution of hardware and software in this space is relevant.)

So I’ve frequently been taken with the idea of going iPad only, but I’ve found some of the daily ‘chores’ to have just a bit too much friction for me to want to do them on the iPad.

One of my habits to have developed because of my attempts to do this is to rely on apps that are good citizens of all platforms. I really have come to rely on Drafts in this regard, but also OmniFocus 4, which now has parity between iOS/OS X versions. I also have come to like the balance of power/ease-of-use/design in Bear. Oh, and Shortcuts—Shortcuts has really made an iPad only approach more feasible and more efficient. At this point, I suppose I would see the devices (iPad and Mac) as working in tandem and I wouldn’t want to give up either, as they both have their strengths, and the “whole is greater than the sum of the parts,” so to speak.

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Craig says something like that just about every year. :slight_smile:

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I was recently traveling for a couple of weeks and brought an iPad mini with me, along with an iPhone
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I just returned from a trip where I was conducting training for a large national foundation. I took only my iPad and my iPhone. The iPad worked fine for what I needed to do on this trip (notes, emails, and the like). That said, there was more friction in dealing with Google slides on the iPad than there would have been on the Mac (for some reason, this foundation insists on converting my Keynote slides to Google slides :person_shrugging:). I also found dealing with Google Sheets (the foundation also uses Google Sheets) doable but frustrating on the iPad. But I find Google products frustrating on the Mac, too, just slightly less so.

My iPad experiment runs through the 23rd of this month. I’ll report on my experience and decision soon after the 23rd.

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Something I’ve said fairly often is that I think many people have a friction with the iPad exp experience that is a direct but not obvious result of the smaller screen size. I think it’s especially true for anyone using the 11" but can also be true of the 13". Coming from a Mac means being used to a larger screen, smaller UI elements, different workflows, etc. Lots of differences that may not seem like much but when added up feel cumbersome and add up to that “Oh, this is kinda hard, I’ll wait till I get back to the Mac” especially when under pressure.

Add to this that a lot of people (not necessarily you) perform the “experiment” of going to just use an iPad for a month and force themselves into a position which can immediately add additional pressure.

My general response reflects my experience: If the intention is to switch, the transition to iPad is best done over time without the added pressure. Best done with a 13" which is still smaller than what people are used to. And requires patience to accept the difference in some apps, multi-touch multitasking and to take full advantage of iPad’s real strength: it’s modularity and touch interface.

For example, your experience with Files. I find a lot of folks complain about Files and 4-5 years ago those complaints were valid. But in 2024 the Files app is visually nearly identical to Finder and is MUCH easier to use. Still not exactly the same and if using 2 windows on an 11" iPad would, again, feel very cramped! Even on the 13" 2 Files windows feels a bit cramped! I manage thousands of files and find it very functional but I’m really naturalized to the iPad and its flow so any feeling of size constraint doesn’t bother me the way it might others who are newer to the interface.

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Yep, they keep saying the same thing. The message is clear if listened to. I’m hoping that the really disgruntled folks will just accept it and move on… though I doubt they will.

@HobbyCollector

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Looking forward to reading that report. And yes, I’m not a huge fan of using Google apps on the Mac or iPad either.

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It’s a good point about the size of the iPad. I actually am partial to both the 12.9 and the mini, both of which I use everyday for different purposes. While what you say makes sense, I actually find the diversity of iPad sizes to be a strength. (Or maybe just an excuse for me to get more than one!)

Add to this that a lot of people (not necessarily you) perform the “experiment” of going to just use an iPad for a month and force themselves into a position which can immediately add additional pressure.

Yeah, that sounds hard. I haven’t tried that except in some specific contexts, and even then I wasn’t ‘in a monogamous relationship’ with the iPad. I don’t see myself making a transition like that anytime soon; in fact I find that I’ve come to rely on the iPad(s) in conjunction with the Mac as part of a system of productivity. I do feel that they complement each other and I wouldn’t really want to give up either one.

For example, your experience with Files. I find a lot of folks complain about Files and 4-5 years ago those complaints were valid. But in 2024 the Files app is visually nearly identical to Finder and is MUCH easier to use. Still not exactly the same and if using 2 windows on an 11" iPad would, again, feel very cramped! Even on the 13" 2 Files windows feels a bit cramped! I manage thousands of files and find it very functional but I’m really naturalized to the iPad and its flow so any feeling of size constraint doesn’t bother me the way it might others who are newer to the interface.

I definitely see the Files app as serviceable, although I don’t find anything difficult about working with the Finder. I think the issue in my case specifically is that I’ve really customized my Mac, and apps like Hazel and Keyboard Maestro do a lot of file processing for me in the background. Perhaps it’s an apples to oranges comparison of the platforms, but a lot of the file management I do…I simply don’t do—other apps do it for me. (For my work, I have to frequently download student assignments submitted through Canvas. I have to download them collectively from Canvas as a .zip file, and the names the Canvas assigns them is a bit of a mess. But I have Hazel download, decompress, rename, and move them to the appropriate folder…where I engage with them via an iPad. This specific process left me frustrated the last time I tried to lean too heavily on the iPad, although I could probably convert workflows like this using Shortcuts in some capacity.)

Anyways, if you’ve made the iPad work—that’s great! I definitely see the appeal.

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To be contrary, it doesn’t sound like Federighi thinks that using the iPad for everything is a good idea. :wink:

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Indeed, “ love my iPad. I probably spend at least as much, maybe more time on my iPad doing a whole variety of things than I do on my Mac. I also love my Mac. I do not want them to become the same device.”

It sounds like he uses his iPad for 50-60% of his work. That could be marketing and messaging, reflect the fact that he must to be familiar with how the software is performing on both devices in the “real world,” or he genuinely enjoys using the iPad for work.

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I have a feeling that (like we have talked about before on this forum), he probably uses his iPad for his executive work and then whatever he chooses to use it for in his personal life. And when it comes time for whatever technical work (code reviews? whatever), he uses his Mac. Just a guess.

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I just reread the Federighi quotes above, and one of the things he said is:

When you use your iPad Pro right now, it’s the best iPad experience you can ever imagine

I’m sorry, I know Federighi’s brilliant but that’s just pure drivel that makes him sound like a corporate shill. I’m sure even @Denny can easily imagine a better iPad experience even though no one here loves the iPad more—and imagine it right now, without having to wait for “ever.”

And that goes for any Apple product, or any product from any company, ever.

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Or Craig is running low on imagination. :joy::wink:

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Yep, anytime I here Tim Cook or any of those folks respond to specific product quality questions (recently it was Cook talking about using his Vision Pro) I find myself pretty grossed out by their response. It really does sound like corporate drivel well rehearsed for the marketing department. Of course they know it could be better but it’s Apple practice to always pretend every product (hear it in Tim’s voice) is the absolute best it could be.

But I do think they are generally speaking the truth about their intentions. The iPad is probably the most contentious product in their lineup but they seem to usually stick pretty closely to their vision and their plans. They’re well aware they’re never going to please everyone and they have their internal numbers on sales, usage, etc.

One last thought on iPadOS and app development. I think the user/enthusiast community can be both insightful and ridiculous in it’s commentary and requests. It’s a lot of people saying a lot of things and most of it well meaning but coming from a place of ignorance in regards to the internal development process and the difficulty of said process. Not just the technical difficulty but getting the user experience design right as well.

My favorite recent iPad specific example:

Community:

  • The iPad needs real windowing!
  • The hardware is too powerful for iPadOS!

Apple:

  • Check out Stage Manager, our vision of windowing for iPad!
  • Stage Manager only runs on the M series iPads because multiple windows in multiple stages is more resource intensive

Community:

  • Boo! Make it work on more iPads.

Apple:

  • Okay, we’ve optimized it and it will now work on these additional iPads.

Community:

  • Stage Manager isn’t Mac windowing. Meh.

My take away: Apple built a custom iPad windowing designed around smaller screens and still touch friendly. They constrained it to the newest M iPads because previous iPads had 6GB of memory or less. The same community that complained that the M series iPad Pros were too powerful were now complaining that a new feature required M series hardware. It’s bonkers.

Was Stage Manager perfect? No. And Apple iterated and improved it the following year. All this while, in the background it was also putting resources into Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro, two of the big pro apps the community had been clamoring for.

In Spring of 2023 they release the new pro apps for iPad then shortly after at WWDC they show off improved Stage Manager.

The reaction is a mix of excitement and meh which quickly turns to a mix of complaints and mostly meh.

My conclusion, reaffirmed over and over is that no matter what Apple does with the iPad Pro it will not be celebrated or appreciated. The changes to iPadOS, new pro apps, etc will always be too little, too late. I feel like the tech/Apple user community is stuck in a rut of negativity in general. It’s joyless and cynical. I suspect the cause is the dynamics created by a mix of social media which blends into the constant barrage of content creation be it YouTube, podcasts, etc. And I’ll add that I think it fits with larger social trends but that takes us into other areas beyond the scope of these forums.

lol, that’s probably more than you wanted. :rofl:

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@Denny so here is something weird I discovered in my iPad experiment. If one is using Stage Manager with Pages, the keyboard shortcut to show/hide the inspector (Cmd+Option+i) is not available. It is available if Stage Manager is turned off. :person_shrugging:

Try making the Pages window larger, almost full screen. When in Stage Manager the Pages windows can be too small for the permanent Formatting Bar and instead opt for the floating/dropdown menu.

You are correct. I just expanded the Pages window to full size in Stage Manager and the keyboard shortcut works. Your explanation makes sense. But, I don’t understand why the keyboard shortcut could not be made to work with Stage Manager in less than full screen size by having the shortcut invoke the floating/dropdown menu. Doing so would not place the menu to the side, it would drop down where this is plenty of space.

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But just because they made something (stage manager in this case) doesn’t mean it’s the “best possible experience) or even good. The OS arbitrarily deciding what documents to keep local or not (thankfully addressed in the next version) is an example. I read a lot of responses to negative feedback to ipadOS that seemingly blame the user for their dissatisfaction with whatever experience they’re facing.
I had expectation’s that the iPad OS would bring more advancements once they separated it from the iPhone. Perhaps from their perspective it did. Who knows what iPadOS would look like today if it didn’t. Certainly wouldn’t have scribble.

Agreed. I’m not sure what their thinking is with that decision.

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