Admittedly, I didn’t think it through very well. Your earlier responses encouraged me to think on this more, which is why I’ve imported everything into Apple Passwords to try it out. If I can make it work – and save money on a subscription – that’s a good thing.
Your concerns prompted me to think more about the topic, and that’s always good. Thank you.
I hope you have a good experience with your Apple Passwords experience. While experimenting, I disabled 1P on all my devices except one iPad in case I missed a password I needed. When I imported from 1P, I reviewed all of my passwords and eliminated duplicates and old ones I no longer need (I hope).
1Password has made the explicit commitment that they will never lock you out of your account; they may restrict new information if you do not renew your subscription but they will never lock you out of existing information.
Apple has not made that commitment. Indeed Apple does explicitly enforce lockout periods for various reasons.
Isn’t this really still putting all your eggs in one basket. There is no special/separate encryption for the Access app. It seams it is in the same basket as Passwords. Actually, are either Passwords or Access any more secure than Apple Notes if you have Advanced Data Protection turned on?
So, the (small, but not zero) risk is that your Apple ID gets compromised/changed and you get locked out of everything, including all your Passwords (and Access data). But if your passwords and other sensitve data are in a separate, third party app (1Password, Strongbox, Bitwarden, etc.) the risk of everything being compromised is mitigated. (Don’t put your 1Password password into Passwords - hope that makes sense!). My perspective is that separate encryption protecting my financial and sensitive data is better than everything protected by only my Apple ID login.
P.S. I downloaded the Access app to try it - free to try out with up to five entries. The first thing I did was import from a 1Password export (.1pux) and Access imported 220 items. Under the free trial I cannot create a new entry but I can certainly take it for a good spin. The 1Password import function is listed as a Beta capability in the app.
The risk with 1P is not “mitigated” if you lose access to it. In either case, you lose access to all of your sensitive data if you lose access to that data.
There’s a slight risk either way, so regular backups are necessary regardless of where you place the data.
That’s an interesting claim to make, but I imagine there may be technical reasons not subject to their intentions that may result in you being “locked out” and losing access to your account. Just because they say they will not (intentionally) lock you out of your account does not mean that it’s impossible for you to lose access.
I screwed up when I upgraded to 1Password.com from the standalone version I had been using for years. So I ask them delete my online account and let me start over.
If I forget my password or lose my secret key I’m not getting back in.
I am a quite low tech and perhaps more typical user, I use 1Password now, just switched from Last Pass in fact, way beyond when I should have and on advice from folk here. I am tired of the friction at password level really to be honest. I know it is unavoidable but I am coming to see why some folk use ‘password1’ for everything or the dog’s name. I know they shouldn’t but really I can see why. Recently touch ID stopped working, I am sure an Apple issue and the tedium of entering my safe but long and complicated master password was a pain. For some reason, by grace I got my now very old apple watch to work as an ‘unlock’, by switching things on and off for about half an hour… That’ll do until that breaks like Touch ID did…
Fact is I don’t understand half of it, I never understood ‘keychain’ or whatever it is and I am really reluctant to change anything now purely for reasons of the time and learning curve. Probably a mistake on my part but there you go. Excuse the vent guys!
I have found that I do prefer Passwords to 1Password, but that is largely because the limited time I used 1Password yielded mixed results at best. Unlike 1Password, I never have an issue with Passwords catching every login. Certainly there are benefits to 1Password that Apple’s version doesn’t offer, but if that were all that was available to me, I’d pick Passwords for my needs. That being said, it’s fair to point out that I use Bitwarden, which I rank above both for me.