Keychain scares me for use as anything other than a convenience feature (keeps me from having to re-enter passwords stored within it, but not as a sole store of passwords) because I’ve had a non-zero number of issues with corruption to the point that I’d had to start a new one.
Back to 1Password - I’ve filed a couple of issues and bugs and they are slowly being picked up and fixed.
8 still isn’t ready for the prime time and will be a while before it will be, which the developers have admitted.
You can add card information in iOS 14. Go to Settings > Safari > AutoFill > Saved Credit Cards. From there you can delete existing saved cards and add new ones. I used it this morning on my phone to remove my old debit card and add my new one.
Thanks, now I see where I was going to the wrong place. I was going to passwords in settings, not to Safari. Thanks for the tip.
As a tie-in to the 1Password 8 debate, there’s this super interesting blog post by Allen Pike about app development and the choices between native vs cross platform (Via Michael Tsai).
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I moved to Mac from Windows less than a year ago (so no Mac nostalgia on my part) and brought Bitwarden with me from Windows (where I previously used KeePass for many years). I was great to see it work just as well on Mac (though for a brand new Mac user, it was a bit of a pain to get it to work on Safari at first).
I then learned that 1password was hugely popular in the mac world and started to look at it but couldn’t find a reason to pay for it (Bitwarden free version worked fine for me). I’m glad I didn’t. So I’ll continue as a happy bitwarden user…
The only thing that I’m having an inner dialogue about is whether I should move from their cloud to self-hosted cloud. So, since BW has been mentioned a few times in this topic, I just wanted to add that they do allow you to self-host. Not the same as local vault, but does address some of the concerns (and creates new ones). Anyone tried it?
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You might want to check the Bitwarden subreddit. Have seen a number of posts there from self-hosters.
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After investing not too much time in research on self-hosting, I conclude that there are only two reason why you would want to self-host:
- you don’t want to store your encrypted data on the bitwarden servers
- you want to modify the source code and compile your own binary so that you can use the premium features without paying.
Neither of this is true for me, so I’ll happily put put this project to sleep and carry on with other things.
For anyone looking for alternatives to 1Password and Bitwarden, I came across strongbox (which I now realise several people already mentioned above), which builds on keeps and gives it a nice UI. I haven’t tried it, but having used Keepass on Windows for many years, I’m pretty sure I’d use it if I could be bothered switching pw manager yet again. I’m not sure what the disadvantages would be compared to bitwarden, but one obvious one would be that you can’t share passwords with family. But that might be outweighed by having your vault stored locally and being able to sync it with other devices via your favourite cloud storage. Another advantage seems to be that strongbox already implemented the macOS AutoFill API launched in Big Sur, while there are no indications that this will come to Bitwarden any time soon.
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This week 1password silently stripped share sheets from their iOS app in 7.8. We knew they’d break their app for stand alone license holders and offline vaults with 8.0 but not that they’d do it in a point-release without disclosing it in their patch notes.
This is a really anti-customer move. I emailed them and they apologized for not disclosing it in patch notes but said nothing they can do.
I refuse to store my passwords on their cloud so I need to switch ships. If anyone was on the fence if subscriptions are good or bad, here’s some proof that once a business gets greedy down the subscription path, they start doing anti-customer moves to force people into subscriptions and into more and more expensive ones.
I anticipate they’ll eventually release a Password Premium membership that costs more per month and render legacy features unusable for basic membership tiers.
Meanwhile if they released good updates that people wanted to pay for, they wouldn’t need a subscription model. I buy stand alone licenses for many apps and am drooling to pay for their updates. Everything about 1password 8 seems like a downgrade in functionality and they should feel bad about themselves.
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I’ve been using 1PW with a standalone vault for many years.
In order to use the new iOS15 Safari 1PW extension, and knowing 1PW8 will soon end support for standalone vaults anyway, I’ve just:
- migrated to a 1PW hosted account
And - taken advantage of their half-price for 3 years offer for standalone vault users migrating to an account
Pleased to report that creating the account & migrating across multiple devices was quick (<15 minutes total) and painless. And 1PW support were quick to honour the half-price offer.
Fwiw, at $1.50pm, the cost over 3 years will be $54, which is less than the $65 they started charging for 1PW7 standalone licenses in 2018.
FTAoD. This is not an endorsement of 1PW’s product strategy with v8, nor their switch to Electron.
Just reporting back — for any standalone vault users who are debating what to do — that for me:
- Moving from a standalone vault to a 1PW hosted account was quick and easy.
- Objections on the grounds of price, don’t seem particularly compelling
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Where do I go to start this process? I’d like to take advantage of that discount.
The 50% off offer is in the ‘Approved Answer’ here:
I emailed 1pw support with a screenshot of my 1pw7 standalone license, requesting the discount.
Here’s the email reply I received from 1pw support wrt migrating and applying the 50% discount.
Thanks for contacting us here at 1Password Support. It’s nice to meet you. 
Congratulations on deciding to migrate to a 1Password account. 
I’ll absolutely be able to apply the 50% off for 3 years promotion to your new account.
First you’ll create a new account as the first step of migrating your existing 1Password data from standalone vaults to a 1Password account
Once you’ve created the new account, let me know the email address associated with it and I’ll be able to apply the promotion.
Let me know if you have any other questions at this stage and I’ll be happy to help. 
Main concerns with 1password 8 for me are removal of offline vaults and secondarily, using electron platform. Price is largely irrelevant to me although I do worry about price for friends/family I recommend to their ecosystem.
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Thanks, much appreciated!!
FWIW (based on answers on 1PW support) 1PW 8 will still have a local cache for offline use and you will be able to export your data.
And it still will be electron 
I’ve been playing with 1Password 8 for the last few weeks and I’m pleasantly surprised. I loathe Electron but this iteration is good enough for me. Agile have released regular updates and I haven’t had any performance issues or bugs … and mostly I’ve just been using the browser extensions. The new iOS 15 extensions have continued to make 1P indispensable to me.
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The issue is I don’t want my data on their cloud at all. So local cache is good to avoid downtime or cloud but doesn’t eliminate security risk. Yeah, it’s password protected and encrypted but encryption can be broken given enough time. Like if a hacker or foreign government took the files off their cloud and had infinite attempts to hack it. Using current known technology, it would take 20 years to break AES256 if you’re using a fantastic password, which most aren’t. But how about secret methods, maybe with enough high end GPUs you can crack it in a few weeks, and if not now, maybe in a few years it will down to a few weeks. But by then they already have a copy of your data.
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Are you self-hosting bitwarden?
That’s true. I’ve been using 1PW for nearly 14 years but didn’t upgrade to their cloud product until 4 years ago partly for that reason.
I’ve used encryption software since the mid '90s and understand how it works well enough to believe even a half decent password combined with a 40 character randomly generated key would make a 1password account pretty hard to crack. And then hope the hacker starts working on the other 14,999,999 accounts first. 
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I might be the only person here not mad at 1Password today, but I’ve had such good experiences with them this week. At work we’re expanding our usage significantly and they were helpful making sure we were paying the lowest price. The design choices they make to help users and admins make good decisions during periods of change are constantly evident.
And then at home we started using 1PW with our children, after some review, and it’s the same story: support making it easy to pay less money, and after some initial confusion with an old account and a new account, easy lookup and autofill workflows that help the least knowledgeable members of my family and (mostly) don’t frustrate me.
UX matters. Good stuff!
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