No - I fear that may be a little beyond my technical capabilities! 
Stephen
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No, I think there are many persons here like that. I am one of them. But I have to say that I got a tad tired to keep on engaging in this discussion - or others regarding 1PW in the community. Because on the one hand I can relay to some usersā frustration and on the other hand, I have a totally opposite experience using 1PW.
When AgileBits announced their new cloud model (subscription or not) years ago, I jumped onto it on day one. It is by far a superior experience for my use cases. I have to share credentials. I have to work in different environments. I have to deal with VPNs and firewalls, some of them not under my control. And boy, 1PW kept getting better during the years. The browser integration is phenomenal and sharing credentials is so easy and still secure. And the local 1PW app is more like something to check in from time to time, but it definitely is not the way how I interact with my 1PW data. And even with the 1PW8 beta: I have no issues with it being an Electron app. Yes, I would prefer a ānativeā app, but I can live with this particular Electron app. I am looking forward to it when it comes out of beta.
1Password went to the cloud - years ago. They dipped their toes into this model and apparently a huge number of their customers followed them on this route (me too) and a lot of new customers signed up for it.
I totally get the frustration of 1Password users in recent days and weeks who kept on using the local version with local vaults through all the years until today. For the local solution, the writing had been on the wall on the day the new cloud model went live. I think that there might have been a chance of AgileBits not going forward with the new model if their customers did not follow. But many did. As I have. And for good reasons.
1PW has evolved: it once was an app. Today, it is a service. And a good one indeed.
Again, I get the frustration of those users who still use the local vault solution. But I think the cards have been dealt on that oneā¦
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Iām not unhappy with them 
Seems like those of us that have spent time using the (Very) Early Access release and reported issues to 1PW have a much better view of it.
Local vaults I can understand the complaints over, however the crying foul over Electron for me is unfounded.
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Well said.
As a service, 1Password do very well and I am happy with them.
I may not like some of the business decisions they took and them killing the native app for Mac (with its baked in security), but that is inevitable when you are successful and grow this fast and you suddenly have more expectations to manage. The fact they grew so fast into the non-Apple ecosphere says a lot about the need and quality of their service.
I think Electron is an āevilā in todayās multi-platform economy and by nature settles on a lower common denominator rather than excel on individual platforms. Itās a compromise to maximise reach. It doesnāt have to hurt 1Passwordās business model as long as they can convince users of their security model. I have deleted Electron apps and replaced them with web apps on my Macs. Luckily 1Password works through browser extensions as well so in most cases the app is not needed.
For continued convenience and also the fact I share vaults both professionally and personally, I will continue to use them. I have used 1Password from the very beginning and it has always worked seamlessly.
That all said; I like redundancy for key applications and functionality and have chosen to run Minimalist and 1Password side by side and I have started to appreciate the bare-bones approach of Minimalist a lot.
This way I also have a secure and working copy of my secrets database and OTP codes. I am comfortable with 1Password hosting my data in the cloud; have never worried about not having a local only vault, as long as I control the encryption key. The convenience of everywhere access was more important to me.
I draw a parallel with Dropbox, which business decisions of venturing into collaboration space I also questioned (you can only excel in so many things!). I understand the need to diversify and make money but I want to be able to consume just the service or functionality I need and not be forced to load all the other stuff as I was already using Microsoft, Google and Slack collaboration. Luckily Maestral and Synology solved the issue for me with a thin Dropbox client. So ā¦still happily using Dropbox, but just for files management.
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Iām looking into self hosting it (raspberry pi - wireguard vpn) since I donāt want to depend on an external cloud provider anymore that can basically do the same thing that 1P didā¦
But first find out whether the solution works for me, not sure I want to tie myself to a subscription for my passwords again.
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Update on the Strongbox app: once I got past converting my data from 1Password, the Strongbox app has been everything I felt I was losing with 1Password. No regrets leaving 1Password.
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another one for me to check!
Do you think it would work in a family situation?
Maybe, but not seamlessly like 1Password which, being centralized on their own servers, is designed for sharing.
The reasons I like Strongbox are that its data is a standalone file on my Mac and iPhone, it is a native macOS and iOS app, and it can be had without a subscription.
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+1 to check Strongbox. Especially since its database format is portable
@JKoopmans let us know what you end up with. Itās an interesting journey you are on.
For now I work with 1Password (primary) and Minimalist (backup). Will definitely give Strongbox a try as it will be future proof by nature of it using open source database formats
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I tried self-hosting of services for a while using different solutions:
- Raspberry Pi Wireguard VPN server
- Firewalla with VPN Server
- Izzbie to bypass corporate or location VPN blocks
Although I still use these services, itās more by exception than the norm as they all have significant drawbacks (mainly speed and consistency). In the end, I went back to cloud-based services for convenience and speed. My home broadbandās upload speed was always the bottleneck to use home-based services.
So instead of a self-hosted file server, I still use Dropbox, iCloud and OneDrive, for websites I use Squarespace, for password management I use 1Password, as VPN I use a mix of iVPN and NordVPN (though I have a Wireguard VPN router for travel in my bag) etc etc
I have since set up some self-hosted services at MacStadium, which is a lot better as it has up and down gigabit internet, so much easier to use as a relay. Despite that, I found that well-designed cloud services are the best for anything remote. Just make sure you work in a zero-trust philosophy and own the encryption keys for anything that is critical and sensitive.
It will be interesting to see where your self-hosting journey ends up. Keep us posted!
Better tell your face on your Avatar. 
Iām very much opposed to this switch to electron and Iām concerned about how the new app will perform. 1Password on macOS and iOS have been excellent for me and I have no complaints there, but Windows is another story.
I use a Windows PC for work and another built for gaming at home and 1Password is a bit frustrating there. It is slow, unresponsive, the auto fill drags, the browser extensions are slow, and itās just an annoying experience compared with how great things are on Mac.
Iāve tried some of the recommended options here and nothing fits quite like 1Password.
Minimalist was my favorite of the bunch, but itās a bit too minimalist for me. Secrets and Strongbox just had poor design IMO. I donāt like the UI on either, and maybe thatās 6+ years of 1Password use talking, but they felt more cumbersome than I wanted.
As much as I dislike electron, if 1Password continues to perform well on the Mac and gets better on Windows, I may stay with it.
I agree with that one.
From what I see software is either:
- full subscription incl hosting (1Password / bitwarden):
Not what I want/need, donāt want to have my sw provider also provide storage (spf + surveillance/rpivacy risk too high) - subscription with ābring your own hostingā option (bitwarden/enpass):
looking into that, incl self-hosting. Your points are very valid, and self hosting would be my least preferred solution from a user friendliness / continuity perspective. - one-time purchase non cross platform (secrets):
is this even sustainable?
Am looking into all options at the moment, and will update when I can 
Bitwarden user here. After finished reading this super-long thread 2 days ago, I decided to try 1Password (again, tried months ago but hate it) using promo code as TidBits member.
Dang! This password manager is soooo good! One login from centralized app to trigger on both Safari and Chrome! It also allow one universal shortcut for all browsers!
I cannot remember why I hate 1Password before, other than the fact that it is paid and Bitwarden is free. I love this app now, and will try to use it for the next 6 months.
I am using version 7 now, but as long as the universal login and shortcuts not get affected, I think version 8 wonāt disappoint me. I need to use Chrome and Slack for work anyway.
Iām curious what issues you ran into. I just did the conversion today but havenāt done my exhaustive verification of all the data yet.
I just did an import from a opvault from 1Password.
Got it set up on my Synology WebDAV server for sync with my iOS devices and got the phone converted, now working on my iPad and other mac.
My only real issue is the loss of autofill in Safari. I am running Catalina and thatās not supported. Havenāt even read very far to see if any other browser will support it on Safari but even at copy and paste I can deal with it to avoid going to 1Password cloud storage for my passwords.
Currenly still on the trial Pro version but assuming it all works over the next week or so Iāll be buying it outright.
The method I used only imported a basic set of fields leaving me to close the gap manually. I understand from other posts that I could have done better using their suggested methods. But thatās all in the past and Iām a happy camper now.
How did you do it? Using a .CSV export or just an import direct into Strongbox of a 1 Password file?
I saw no facility in Strongbox to import a 1Password file so I exported a CSV file from 1Password.
- The export and import was picky. Spent a lot of time in the Numbers app looking at the CSV file for problems. Had to edit some fields in 1Password to get them to export right. And I had to tweak the CSV file itself before it would load okay. Seemed to be picky about number of columns and even āUrlā but not āURLā for column header? I think.
- Experienced a crash and loss of items due to badly formatted input data. Once I had the CSV file cleaned up well enough, it stopped doing that. (And of course nothing Iām doing in Strongbox affects the data in 1Password, so Iām free to experiment all I want.)
- On import, Strongbox really only handled five fields: Title, Username, Password, Url, Notes (and also claimed an Email field but I had no such data). My credit card and other non-password records imported mostly empty of data.
Ah, I did it by importing into KeePassXC first by importing from an opvault then in Strongbox go to database mananger and add from files to get it into Strongbox and it worked just fine. No errors or issues that Iāve found so far.
I think I found the instructions on the Strongbox site in their support section as a suggested way to do it.
Also followed their instructions to get the files onto my Synology NAS webdav server and that also worked well and itās syncing now.
All credit cards and banking info came in just fine.
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Iām glad it worked out for you. Iām old and apparently not very good at following directions anymore. 
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