Somewhat sadly, the era of native apps is coming to a close much, much, much more quickly and pervasively than many people realize.
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Fair enough, I think we are saying the same thingā¦ you just said it better :).
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Regarding bad omens for Apple, it depends. See the previously linked Secrets app, for example. SwiftUI and other Apple native frameworks can help develop an app that is functionally equivalent to 1Password as it was in their 3 release, for a fraction of tue development cost. So pricing can be competitive.
We will see a lot of comings and goingās on this native-vs-Electron war in non multi platform use cases.
If you are willing to lose a bit of functionality (like Apple Watch), just get Bitwarden. Even the free version is enough for most users.
I already am so Iām cutting my losses. 
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Bitwarden. All the way. Itās still a subscription if you need to store anything in it (such as licenses, documents, etc) but itās FAR more affordable, optional, and in my one year with Bitwarden, itās everything Iāll ever need.
Isnāt Bitwarden also using Electron?
Iām trialling Secrets which I have via Setapp.
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Bitwarden uses electron. They have also a Windows and Linux versions so Mac and iOS is not their sole focus.
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This is why I donāt like Electron first and foremost as a Mac user. I value apps that are built natively. One of the reason why Adobe apps still suck today in terms of performance compared to apps like Affinity.
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I will be sticking with 1Password despite this. I use it with all my family and have no issues paying the sub for such an essential service.
Electron doesnāt necessarily mean worse. I use an electron email app (Superhuman) and itās much faster than any native email app. It also offers all features and storage offline. They feel different but if an Electron app is well designed and coded it can offer a great experience.
I would never judge an app on a beta, better to wait for the finished product before making conclusions.
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After using the early access alongside 7 for a morning of work, I think Iām okay with the change in app architecture. On a 2017 i7, I canāt tell a meaningful difference in rendering speed. 1PW8 does use more memory for me (about 200MB across all processes vs 125MB for 7.) It also has about 8x as many threadsāthatās Rustās safe parallel programming in action! UI responsiveness is about the same.
Iām neutral on the UI changes overall. The edit view in 8 is nicer to look at and seems more clearly laid out, which will help keep data in the correct fields, something we have an issue with sometimes. On the other hand, I prefer how search in 7 would filter down alphabetical lists. Search in 8 has a cramped autocomplete that appears under the search field. Cmd+enter filters down the list of credentials by relevancy, which is less predictable. I can see how this would help in larger lists of credentials, though.
I never step into Watchtower and Iām a little concerned its increased prominence and shininess will lead to people changing credentials for no reason. I guess thatās an example of how 1PW sees good design as nudging in the direction better behavior despite objection. 
Weāre already paying for 7 subscription so no issue there; I do understand the loss that standalone license holders are feeling right now, though.
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actually of native processing as well.
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AFAIK thatās the way it works now (i.e. in version 7).
Edit: Iām referring to my understanding of how the standalone-licensed version works, since this is the version I have.
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If they donāt keep your passwords on their servers how can you access them from the web?
@jec0047 I see your edit. Understood. Thank you.
Sorry, I should have provided some context; Iāve added it to my original post.
Yeah, Iām going to have to dig into this and make sure that whatever theyāre doing meets what I think is appropriate for this kind of software/service. I honestly donāt mind paying a subscription for something of this nature and importance, as long as there are provisions in place for my continued access to my data in the event of a sudden failure with the service provider or my failure to pay. Time for a security assessmet 
I absolutely agree. Itās going to be quite an adjustment
I (and others, Iām sure) eagerly await your findings.
Oh great. So now I have to do it sober 
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Thatās not necessarily a requirement
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