I found that very interesting. Nice interview. It’s comforting to see a smaller company try something different and Vladimir is good at telling his story.
Every so often I try Kagi, but then give up, mostly because google (including its adverts) are better for my local searches, I think.
I’m contemplating giving Kagi another go, but this time with a “do both” approach - sometimes kagi, sometimes google.
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With local searches, I can easily use google, for instance. For the rest I can default to kagi in safari.
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I can add kagi as a quick link to raycast on my macs, like @MacSparky does with his launcher app.
Mobile … is a little different, but I’m contemplating trying a different mobile app for a while - Chrome or Edge. I can change the default browser, easily enough, in settings. But I haven’t used the other browsers on mobile much, since Safari has always been the default.
Does anyone use a different default browser on mobile? What’s it like?
Enjoyed the show, and went right over to Kagi to try it out, which is very easy, and also try out the mentioned Orion browser. So far, the search experience is excellent, and there is a LOT to explore with Kagi.
Has anybody tried the Orion browser for long time? If yes, how is your experience? Is it safe to use with macOS password and Touch ID?
I would be interested in how Orion interacts with macOS password app. Reluctant to have it import my passwords.
How would you set a quick link in Raycast?
After listening to this episode, I downloaded Orion and I’m shocked! It’s so much faster than Safari. Support for Chrome and Firefox extensions is really a must. Listen, I’m a die-hard Safari fan. Love it. Use it for development. But this is what Safari should have been ages ago. Orion feels like Safari (thanks WebKit) but without Apple having forgotten about it.
There are things that are a bit clunky (like having to select Password Providers every time you want to use the Mac Password app), but forget about buying Perplexity. Apple should buy Kagi now.
If, like me, you knew about Orion (been a Kagi users for years now), but didn’t bother with it because you like Safari, really give it a try.
Interesting show. Great job Stephen and David. I’ve been on the free tier since early summer, but I’m thinking of subscribing. However, I’m not sure how the integration with LLM’s work. If you subscribe to the ultimate tier, for example, do you have full access to OpenAi’s or Anthropic’s top of the line models? I doubt it. What are the limitations? Kagi users out there, care to explain?
I haven’t listened to the episode yet, so I don’t know if this was covered, but I was alerted to concerns about Kagi’s inclusion of Russian-government-affiliated Yandex in its results, and Kagi’s subsequent responses to those concerns.
This was touched on in this MPU thread (see linked Hacker News thread as well), and this thread on Kagi Feedback among others.
I was a quite content user of Kagi for about 2 years, but this issue and the, in my view, inadequate and bad-faith response by Kagi were primary factors for me canceling my subscription recently. Others may see it differently, but I think it’s worth sharing the information.
I’ve tried many browsers and always return to Firefox on Desktop. I use Firefox on iOS since it syncs trans and bookmarks with the Desktop version , which is convenient. The mobile app is getting some new tab management features, but I don’t know if the AI integration from Desktop is coming to mobile anytime soon.
In my case, the phone follows my Desktop where apps are concerned.
Ok, I subscribed to the cheaper tier. Its the same thing as the « pro » tier, but you have a 300 search limit and its five bucks per month. At first glance, its worth it for the translation alone. You have also full access to so-called standard LLM’s from the likes of OpenAi, Anthropic, etc.
For 25$ per month, the « ultimate » tier, you get to use the latest ChatGPT, Claude, etc. There are probably limitations.
I love what Orion tries to do and I give it a shot once or twice a year, but it’s totally unstable and every time I try, I give up after a few weeks. I keep coming back because it’s so promising, hopefully one day it’ll get there, it has such great potential.
Still trying it out but the RC candidate is up for download. I did subscribe for one month.
Kagi supports search bangs. So adding !g to your search sends you to Google. So combining them is easy. (I also like !yt for YouTube and !w for Wikipedia.)
I use Quiche on iOS, and I like it. But the Kagi extension for Safari also works fine! Just set DuckDuckGo as your default, and then set the extension to forward DDG searches. This makes it so !g still works. 
Thank you. I shall give it a shot.
This episode inspired me to adopt Kagi. I paid for the Professional Plan for a year so that I can give it an extended “trial”. I’m really like Kagi so far; I appreciate the customizability and absence of ads. And I’m happy to support this company’s mission.