860: The Friday Incident with Merlin Mann

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More Power Users was worth the price of subscription today. Usually when people talk about trauma and PTSD, I think it does not apply to me. I have never seen war, been the target of violence, or lived through natural disaster, I had good parents and have never been abused by partners or family members. I’ve always had enough money, so I’ve never known the trauma of poverty. Then Merlin talked about trauma being expressed as shame, and I thought, ā€œOh.ā€

I’m about to start listening to the Ezra Klein podcast now.

It’s here, btw:

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/24/opinion/ezra-klein-podcast-van-der-kolk.html

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Two thoughts.

First, my experience is like yours. You and I have been blessed.

Second, I have not yet listened to the episode, so I don’t want to assume too much. But, I’ll go where angels fear to tread. :slightly_smiling_face: On a preliminary basis having not listened to the episode yet, I hope that the argument is not that all shame is trauma. There is good shame. It is the shame we should feel if we have done something shameful. A degree of ā€œtraumaā€ is warranted. There is bad shame. Bad shame is unwarranted shame or being shamed. Good shame is evidence of a working conscience. Bad shame can be evidence of an overly sensitive conscience. Being shamed, as in humiliated, is wrong and can be trauma producing.

I’m looking forward to listening to the episode when on the treadmill tomorrow.

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I think there is a difference between shame and guilt. Shame is paralyzing. Guilt is on the pathway to acknowledgement , acceptance and redemption. Perhaps this is more of a definition issue - ā€œgood shameā€ is my equivalent of guilt.

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The trauma and PTSD discussion was behind the paywall, so I can’t comment on that part of the episode. It sure sounds like Merlin was traumatized by Claude. :wink:

In truth, I found it a frustrating episode—some clarity on exactly what Merlin is doing with Codex and how, and why he couldn’t do it with Claude Code would have been welcome.

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I must be getting old….after 5 references to cocaine and 3 profane words bleeped out before we even hit 10 minutes; I had to turn it off. For such a classy show, that guest missed the mark…

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Perhaps, as LLMs approach the singularity, they will finally help me understand what this fella is on about whenever he pops out of my speakers. A bit like if you sat me down in front of Dr Who, pinned my eyelids open and I still couldn’t tell you what is going on, it’s exactly the same for me with Mr Mann’s riffing schtick. And yes, I was there back in the 43 Folders days so this is not new to me. This episode (the shortened, free one with ads) maintains that standard, with another torrent of blathering. Just an exhausting listen. Perpetually baffled by the fact that speaking into a microphone is his job.

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I didn’t last as long as you did…I hope THAT wasn’t a hint of upcoming attractions……

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I guess Merlin is an acquired taste. Are cocaine references, profanity and constant complaining what the cool kids are into these days? Hard pass for me. I turned it off.

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You guys, I already wanted to listen, no need to sell me on it so hard! :laughing:

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I couldn’t care less about the cocaine and the swearing, but there are other podcasts I can listen to if I want to mainline a disorganized mind having thoughts and stepping all over his hosts in the process. I go to MPU for something more nutritious than that. Too much hyperventilating, not enough elucidation, in short.

I say this as someone who embraced The Hipster PDA and Merlin’s ā€œNothing doesn’t go in hereā€ notebook ethos.

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I take it back. I do care, because that’s not how the good folks at MPU roll, and Merlin knows it.

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It may be an ADHD thing (unsure) but this episode (I’m not finished yet) gave me a lot of ideas to pursue. It piqued my curiosity.

Although I will say I’m a bit disappointed at the lack of curse words. I was misled. The first one was at 27 minutes, another sort-of curse word a few minutes later, and … that’s it? I still have 20+ minutes to go but I haven’t heard one thing bleeped out.

Or maybe it’s a difference between the YouTube version and the audio-only version? ĀÆ\_(惄)_/ĀÆ

And yet they keep inviting him back on. This was his 10th appearance. Maybe the ā€˜good folks at MPU’ don’t roll quite the way you think they do?

I did the same. Turned it off and deleted it after 5 minutes or so. I did anticipate this possibility after hearing Merlin years ago.

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I usually just supply my own. Makes it an interactive podcast.

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Mine too. But rather than directing me to the path I might follow to satisfy it, Merlin gestured wildly towards the mountains and said ā€œThere’s fertile land on the other side, and boy howdy did I struggle to get there, but I can’t tell you how.ā€

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Perhaps they use him as the exception that proves the rule :wink: In all seriousness, I think MPU’s hosts work hard to demonstrate respect for each other, their guests, and their audience by 1) thoughtful preparation and 2) a measured decorum (Yes! An old fashioned word!) in their delivery.

I know David and Stephen can take care of themselves, but I really thought Merlin disrespected their show-prepping workflow at around the 1:05 marker. And while he may have meant it in good fun, it really rubbed me the wrong way, not the least because he still didn’t explain the scaffolding behind the topic of the chapter, Triangulation.

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Haha, Merlin is like my favorite guest. He showed up shortly after Stephen Hackett joined and I was hoping he’d show up this year for @beardfm .

My only disappointment is he didn’t say Stephen Hackett deeply disliked him.

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I do enjoy a dose of Merlin in other contexts myself! I think he and John Siracusa were put on this earth to be each other’s perfect foils.

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@cornchip that link mentions Katie but not Stephen - consider me slightly confused…