Adobe exec: pricing strategy as ‘a bit like heroin’

In a way, but I believe it’s important to counter simplistic and misleading statements about important subjects rather than leave others to assume they’re valid.

I don’t understand why you’re more offended by my response than by someone launching an unprovoked political attack here in the first place. Are you saying you think it’s okay to make political statements here but not okay to express disagreement with them?

Back to the topic at hand, I have another question: do you find it frustrating when you go to an app site to explore it but no pricing is listed unless you first select to try or buy? This practice raises a red flag for me regarding the ethics of the developer. Am I wrong about this?

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I agree and the Mac and iOS App Stores are the biggest offenders. Why do I need to go click some drop down menu and see a confusing list of In-App purchases and try to decide which one I need.

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I agree. They want to convince you it’s worth the price before they tell you the price. But I want to know the price up front so I can be asking myself whether it’s worth it as I learn about the functionality and features. And if the cost is prohibitive, I don’t want to waste time learning about a product I’m not going to buy anyway.

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“It’s only $999 per year! That’s less than a cup of coffee per day!”

That, incidentally, is my other pet peeve - the idea that (a) everybody has an expensive coffee habit, and (b) because of (a), they must be swimming in discretionary money.

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Even worse than buried prices is when you have to “contact us” for prices. If you have to ask, you can’t afford it. And for business use it just means more hoops before getting the (probably exorbitant) cost approved.

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That argument no longer works when practically every app has a $5 or $6 “barista coffee a day” subscription cost. Suddenly you’re paying $30 or $50 or more every day to keep the apps on your devices working.

There’s also the assumption that if push comes to shove you’ll give up enjoying your daily coffee because using their apps is an even greater pleasure.

You are not wrong about this. Every discussion I’ve been in that involved pricing ends up on the “should we reveal the pricing for this?” side of things.

It is tough to price for consumers and enterprise simultaneously, though. I have one client who targets small creators. If a giant record label were to come along, and wanted white glove service, and had hundreds or thousands of records they wanted the client to import with white glove service, what would it cost? There’s almost no way to say.

That is, of course, very different from what Adobe’s up to, though.

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The present government was introduced by others in this thread as a “good guy” for going after Adobe. I merely pointed out what liars that same government has been for the last 3+ years.

Oh, yeah? I’ve never really understood the folktale of “The Emperor’s New Clothes” until the last few years watching the leader of the free world struggle with increasing physical and cognitive decline while being told that he’s doing fine, never better. Until, that is, the same people suddenly “discovered” the truth and pushed him out.

No? You really never noticed that his immediate predecessor ran a far more disingenuous and chaotic administration?

And that among that former president’s many other defects of character that render him far more unfit for office than the current president, he can’t open his mouth without spewing lies and incoherent nonsense about sharks, Hannibal Lecter, and curing Covid by injecting bleach?

You could have restricted your critique to specific tech and business policies and expressed your disagreement with those, but instead made an overtly political comment during a contentious election.

The consensus here is that this isn’t the place for political commentary. But you seem to want to double down.

My offer still stands. If you delete your political comments here, I’ll delete my replies to them.

Asking “what about this or that …” and changing to another topic is a time-honored way to sidestep when someone else raises a valid issue. :wink:

No, I’m not denying that the current president has been showing some signs of age-related decline. I was merely pointing out that what’s good for the goose is good for the gander, especially when they’re almost the same age.

I completely agree, I hate Microsoft for this practice with LinkedIn. I refused to even contact them for a full Recruiter account because they don’t have a fixed price. You have to negotiate with them and depending on the outcome prices can range from €6000 to €10000 per licence!

I stuck with Recruiter Lite which has a fixed price (€1000). My company pays of course as it’s a business expense, but I was completely put off my the secretive pricing.

Okaaaay this has veered way off topic.

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