Backblaze no longer backing up cloud-based files

So I heard on Connected that Backblaze has changed how it backs up cloud-based files (they say it is a change in how Apple handles these files locally), and then sent a note to Backblaze to clarify.

Perhaps this is old news and I just missed it here (but I did a search and didn’t see anything), so just in case anyone is in the same boat as me and doesn’t check their Backblaze files often…

Question to Backblaze support:

Is it true you are no longer backing up locally-stored files that are also in iCloud? I can’t see them in my Backblaze anymore.

Answer from Backblaze support:

Hi there,

I’m Janet, and I’m well-trained to answer your questions.

Yes, that’s correct. Recent updates to macOS and iCloud prevent us from backing up files that remain iCloud-managed, even if they appear “downloaded” in Finder.

This change affects files stored in iCloud Drive folders that macOS controls via cloud sync, including the ~/Library/Mobile Documents directory. Simply disabling “Optimize Mac Storage” alone is not sufficient anymore - files that remain inside iCloud-managed folders cannot be backed up due to Apple’s iCloud architecture restrictions.

To make sure your files are backed up with Backblaze:

  1. Open Finder and navigate to your iCloud Drive
  2. Select the files or folders you want backed up
  3. Move them to a local folder such as ~/Documents or ~/Desktop
  4. Make sure the Documents and Desktop folders are also not synced with iCloud Drive
  5. Confirm the files no longer show an iCloud icon
  6. Allow Backblaze time to scan and upload the new local copies

Once files are stored in fully local, non-iCloud locations, Backblaze will back them up normally. Files left in iCloud-managed locations will not appear in your backup or restore options.

This limitation is caused by Apple’s recent iCloud updates that restrict third-party backup access to cloud-managed locations. We can only back up local data and cannot override Apple’s iCloud controls.

To be clear, my iCloud files are all set to download locally (and are completely stored on my hard drive for just this purpose). So now I’m back in the hunt for another cloud-based backup service because I certainly don’t like their “fix”. I may look into Arq Backup to see if that will work for my purposes. I have my files in iCloud, backed up via Time Machine, and then cloned to another external drive. So I have 2 local copies and one iCloud copy. Perhaps that’s enough and I should just be happy with that…but I feel like a true cloud backup would still be smart.

Hope this is helpful. Like I said, I’m sure I missed some kind of drama when they made this change, but I certainly don’t remember an email about it. So I’m less than thrilled with Backblaze (but perhaps it’s true that it’s Apple’s fault??).

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Yes, frustrating. I went with idrive.

Definitely helpful. I wasn’t aware of this limitation. iCloud seems to have become more reliable in the past year or two, so I’ve stopped using Dropbox and moved more data to iCloud. Guess I need to review my approach to backup—thanks for sharing.

I’m in the same boat. If you give Arq a try, I’d love to hear how it goes.

That’s . . . a really odd response. Do you think you were dealing with a chatbot?

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Arq will backup iCloud files. There is a setting, that was added to v7.2.1, that will cause Arq to download your iCloud files for backup.

I renamed some scanned files in iCloud earlier this evening, and just restored that folder to verify they had been backed up.


https://www.arqbackup.com/download/arqbackup/arq7_release_notes.html

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Well, this is troubling. Saves me $15/mo I guess. I haven’t really used Arq. Is it set and forget like Backblaze?

I backup to Backblaze B2, but I have never used their software. Once you configure Arq it runs on the schedule you have chosen.


Re: set and forget

Early in my career I lost 3 days of company data because I trusted backup logs that said everything was working properly. Since that time I have been doing regular test restores to verify my backups are good.

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Thanks for pointing this out. I thought it was a one-off and I couldn’t find the file from my iCloud Drive. Guess not. This makes me a little angrier than before. All my iCloud files are local

I’ve been using Arq (Arq Premium) for years, and it’s proven to be extremely reliable. It can back up virtually anything, to almost any destination you choose.

Another advantage for me is the option to select a European data center, in my case it is located in Belgium.

Dropbox is the same with the new requirements from Apple

That was my first thought

Like you and @geoffaire, I thought the same thing. That sounds like something a bot would say. Regardless, does this mean that although all of my files are set to be kept downloaded locally while also syncing that BackBlaze is not backing them up? If that’s the case, I see no point in using BackBlaze.

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That is exactly where I am at right now…

I just checked my Backblaze files online. Up to now, my iCloud documents apparently still are being backed up for some reason? Be it as it may, I cloned my Documents using CCC to an external SSD a few hours ago. Now, it is the Backblaze waiting game: when will they be backed up from there…

The thing with Backblaze is that it either is set it and forget it while working reliably or it is useless. To exclude everything inside the Documents folder (if synced with iCloud) means that the backup potentially is missing some of the most important data. And doing so without telling the customer is just unacceptable, and no, the information (recently added) at Back Up iCloud Drive does not count (if I do not learn anything about it actively). Blaming Apple does not change anything (even if rightfully so). Even if Apple is the reason, the issue is enough for me not to use Backblaze in the long run.

Unfortunately, my Backblaze fee only got renewed a few weeks ago. I am considering returning to Arq (with several OneDrive accounts as backup destinations).

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Well, this is troublesome. As you and many others know in this forum, I am not a super geek and not highly technically inclined. So I wanted the simplest backup system that was reliable, which is why I chose Backblaze. Now it seems as that is not going to be workable. I have no experience with other backup systems. Are you confident that Arq will serve my needs just as well? Again, I have all of my documents kept downloaded to the Finder, but they are also synced because I have multiple devices. Is Arq the best solution?

Folks, I really need your advice, thanks in advance!

I do not know if Arq is the best solution, but I have used Arq for years.

The software is easy to use. Its strength is that you can use almost any service with Arq. And it is working as advertised. You select what you want to have backed up and you choose the service you would like to use. Arq will encrypt the data and back it up to the destination of your choice. Browsing and restoring backups is not much more complicated than restoring Time Machine backups.

The big advantage of Arq is also that it is very transparent about what is and has been backed up.

So, why did I switch to Backblaze then? I did not want to bother with the whole process any longer and I was seduced by all those Backblaze users that were so happy with the ease of use and the unlimited storage…

Thanks for the response. I’m confused about something. Why is it that Arq can back up iCloud-based files but Backblaze cannot? I ask because Backblaze is blaming Apple. It would seem to me that if this is an Apple-centric issue, then Arq should have the same problem. What am I missing?

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So have I, but I cannot say it is your best option either. Because the problem is iCloud is a blackbox that Apple keeps changing. And that requires our backup software provider to discover the changes then adapt to them, if possible.

iCloud has never been as reliable as Amazon, Google, Microsoft, or any other cloud storage provider that I have used. But it seems to have gotten worse since Apple forced most cloud providers to store files on our Mac’s internal storage.

I mainly use iCloud as a conduit to move files from my iPad to my Mac, via Hazel.

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This. If I depended on iCloud for backup, I would have lost data because of syncing issues.

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I’m very grateful for this thread as my bullet-proof backup process may just have the odd hole or two that needs filling. Also, reading other people’s approaches is exactly why I love this community. My Backblaze setup is for two machines at the moment, and that’s costly, but a quick review has shown how I can bring the cost down and still fill those holes - which I wouldn’t have done without this thread.

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