FTR, @mojopad, I downloaded the trial version — thanks for making that a possibility. I see on the Outlinersoftware forum that you have lots of requests, so I will add only three letters … iOS.
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I think @cornchip took action and they are visible again?
(Let’s hope @MojoPad gets informed that he is welcome again)
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Thanks for patience - this was the last big item in the moderation queue. It was confusing because of all the conflicting activity and multiple attempts to start new threads.
I’ve split this one off as its own topic. It’s linked to from the VoodooPad thread so people will be able to follow it here. The other attempts to start new threads are still hidden because they repeat the announcement. We just need this one.
Aside from the early LLM-generated reply, appreciate that the developer participated in the discussion here, and he’s certainly welcome to return. And yes, @rob , I’ll message him as well.
Okay, hopefully this is the end of having to do mod announcements, haha.
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This is a terrific write-up. As the person (I think) who started the original thread, I appreciate the continuation of a thoughtful dialogue.
For myself, because an iOS companion app was important to me, I ended up using Obsidian. I finally figured out the exact combination, and minimum number, of plug-ins that gives me the functionality I want. Mostly. Perhaps, as I enter the next chapter of my life, I’ll do what the creator of MojoPad did and roll my own app that scratches me itch. Until then, I’ve got a working wiki. Mostly.
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This is what I’m currently doing. I’ve got my first version of my Electron app created by Claude Code. I will iterate this over the next year.
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MoJoPad now has an internal MCP server. This makes it really easy to create a Wiki from your documents, Devonthink database, Bookends libraries, or other sources. Very useful.
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Fab blog!
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Clark: I’m there with you! I’m now reading everything @macosxguru writes on his/her blog. Very well done.
In the end I decided MojoPad was not for me, but the review was very thorough and useful. However, due to his/her review of Kosshi (outliner) I decided to purchase that product and am now using it a lot.
The key is I heard about Kosshi, downloaded it, and after playing with it for 20 minutes decided it was not a good fit for my needs. Then, about a week later, I read MacOSGuru’s post on Kosshi (and since there’s been a second post). I realized I fundamentally did not understand what Kosshi was trying to do and how it was structured. Then I went back, after reading the review, played with it more and found it to be a perfect fit for my needs. It would have been an opportunity lost without reading that post!
So, yes, thanks to @macosxguru a ton!
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What are you doing differently ? I am having the same struggle - I am not sure how to use Kosshi, but the reviews have made me curious. What does a person do with a massive outline ?
Thank you Mathew.
macosxguru
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What are the friction points you are running into with Kosshi?
What do want to do with a massive outline that you are struggling with?
macosxguru
Does this have “Page View?” This could be a handy way to build a “classroom database” for all the assignments and materials for the courses I teach. I would prefer to be able to see it in page view for worksheets.
My friction points are mostly mental. I usually use OmniOutliner for my outlining needs. I just don’t know what the benefits would be of a very large outline.
OmniOutliner is fantastic. If you are happy with that, Kosshi can be ignored.
Conceptually Kosshi is a single document which contains all your outlines. Every parent node is a different outline. When you want to work in a particular outline, you go into the relevant node.
I think of Kosshi as a collection of all my outlines. All in one place. The advantage is somewhat minimal. OmniOutliner lets me have tabs open of all my outlines. I switch between them depending on where I need to be. I prefer Kosshi because it seems to be less friction.
For new users, Kosshi is the cheaper option. It is less corporate than OmniOutliner. It is one independent developer who is deliberate about the changes he makes to Kosshi. I like being in it. It covers all my needs for an outliner. YMMV.
macosxguru
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I’m not entirely sure what “page view” means for you, but one of the things I like the best about Kohhsi is how easy it is to focus on a particular portion of an outline. This is true whether it’s seeing all outlines, or a portion of only 1 outline. The ability to focus in/out at specific levels is very helpful for me … both on the computer (naturally) but even more importantly on the phone or tablet.
Let me give an example … I’m currently traveling (for fun, not work) and I track what we see/do each day. Easy on the phone to add to a specific day without seeing other portions of the larger specific “travel” outline, or all the outlines. If I were still teaching I’d use this ability all the time in class especially since my classes were 4 hours long.
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I just posted another reponse (see just above) that might be useful for you.
I also have OmniOutliner and it’s a great product. For me an outliner needs to be “pleasing” to use (a very personal definition) and effective. Put simply, I enjoy using Kosshi much more than OmniOutliner (as a long time OO user). I especially notice the difference when using a phone or tablet.
OO has more options, but is a lot more fiddly. This can be a bonus for some folks. Kosshi is simpler but also more pleasing to me relative to OO. And more effective.
While Kosshi is one big outline, with real usage I don’t think of it like that. It’s super easy to focus in one one part or one sub-part of an outline. I expected this “feature” to be a pain the toochus (sp?), but in fact with usage it’s a benefit (for me).
If you create a lot of independent small outlines then OO may be the better choice. I tend to create outlines for larger “projects”.
Thank you for your reply. I wasn’t expecting this answer. I do find it harder to use omnioutliner on mobile. It was not a good choice for maintaining travel documents. I still miss Circus Ponies Notebook.
Thank you for giving me an excuse / reasons to explore my crimping needs.
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