!The Results are In-Conclusion! 1 Month iPad Only Experiment with New M4 iPad Pro

I might end up eating some crow here, but here’s what just happened to me:

I assumed I would keep my old iPad Pro (10.5” iPad Pro model) for light sketching and general tablet use. I wiped it when I got the new one. But in anticipation of returning the new one (see my earlier posts in this thread), I booted this one up. The battery is half dead (it’s been unplugged for 30 minutes), which is normal, but it’s running so hot that I can kind of… smell it? It has that warm plastic/metal smell.

Would I be right in assuming this thing’s days are very numbered?

Edit to add it also claims to send iMessages, but it doesn’t look like it actually sends them either (iCloud is turned on for iMessage, but the messages don’t show up on other devices and I don’t think the recipients see them).

And another edit to say that I’m realizing now the Lightning connector is going. Plugging in the Apple Pencil is, uh, temperamental to say the least.

That was a well done and interesting video. Thanks for sharing.

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I don’t know where this experiment will end and whether or not I will continue using the MacBook Pro. But I think what works in my favor with the iPad is that I use a minimum number of apps, I seldom use a monitor, and I don’t multitask. Additionally, the vast majority of my work is text-related. Given my work and needs, the iPad fits better for me than for many others. I will post an update on the forum at the end of the one month trial. I don’t want to post incremental updates because I won’t have a complete sense of my experience, and I don’t want to burden this thread with too many updates. :slightly_smiling_face:

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I’ve followed, and read, the entire thread. The OP did not say anything about making iPadOS more like macOS. Nor did you when you stated “ When they’re developing new versions of iPadOS, why would they want to create incentives for you to skip buying the Mac?”. Why should I infer that you meant something that’s you did not say?

Let’s just leave it at this and move on-there are many reasons why Apple would be incentivized to make iPadOS the best it can be, whatever that looks like.

The OP did not say anything about making iPadOS more like macOS.

That is correct. I’m not trying to make the iPadOS more like the MacOS. I’m trying to see if I can use the iPad as it is for all of my work.

:blush:

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See above Here Goes: 1 Month iPad Only Experiment with New M4 iPad Pro - #96 by Synchronicity

…and iPursuade’s response to that at Here Goes: 1 Month iPad Only Experiment with New M4 iPad Pro - #112 by iPersuade and our subsequent back and forth conversation that led to my comment that you originally responded to.

Most of the complaints about the inadequacies of iPadOS by power users on this forum and elsewhere are about things macOS can do that iPadOS currently can’t do or can’t do as easily and quickly.

Arguably those are the very things that are needed to “make iPadOS the best it can be.” And I don’t think it’s likely that Apple will fully implement very many of them because they don’t want to cannibalize Mac sales.

For business reasons they want people to have reasons to continue to buy Macs even if they already own iPads, and vice versa.

iPadOS doesn’t need to be fixed, because that implies that iPadOS is broken. iPadOS needs to be improved and optimized. Improving the platform isn’t just about copying and pasting macOS onto the iPad. Improving iPadOS involves Apple paying close attention to the most basic user experience and interface shortcomings, while also continuing to build it out with new and unique features year after year. Apple hasn’t been perfect on this thus far, but we must recognize how far the iPad has come in a relatively short time.

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Well said! iPadOS development is an application of the concept of beginner’s mind.

That Apple can’t even keep iPadOS at feature parity with iOS says a lot about Apple and the iPad. Especially when Apple makes tools to make it easier for developers to port their apps to different screen sizes. We just got the weather app a couple of years ago, and this year we get a calculator app. Maybe next year we will get the Journal app?

I would also argue that the iPad has not come a long way. It is still, after 14 years, basically a large iPhone with some features to take advantage of more screen real estate. It gets a major update every few years at best. Now if this was a small company with limited resources, that would make sense, but this is a huge tech company that has the resources to make it more than it is.

That’s not to say I don’t love the iPad, but it is still just a big iPhone to me.

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I gotta push back on this a bit. The iPad hasn’t come a long way in 14 years? It’s just a big iPhone?

There’s no way I could use my iPhone like I use my iPad (and I’m a Mac user, as well, just for context). Stage manager, external display, pencil support, full-screen apps to do work on, etc. are just the few that come to mind.

I’m not saying I don’t wish the iPad could do more, because I definitely see room for improvement. But saying the iPad hasn’t come a long way just smacks of the idea that Apple could never do enough to make people happy.

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Fourteen years is a long time, and most of these updates took a decade before Apple decided to call it iPadOS and see if they can do things differently on it. They have been extremely slow to do updates. Last WWDC brought almost nothing IIRC.

Stage Manager is just an app switcher after they have repeatedly struggled to implement (ignored). Slide over would work fine if they would just fix it to make it easy to use. I can also swap apps just as quickly by dragging up from the bottom of the screen (which is what I do on my phone) or with gestures. Granted, some people like it, but it’s hardly revolutionary and still a large portion of iPad users either don’t use it or know about it judging by what I read online. Besides the power users, are people using this?

External display: it’s a neat feature I guess. Never felt a need to use it (I did try it a couple of times), I have a Mac that does that much better. It’s still just large iPhone apps on a monitor. The trackpad is a step forward, and well done, but since most people don’t use one with their iPad, apps don’t take advantage of it.

Pencil, agreed, very cool, very well done.

They have added a few things to it, I agree, but nothing revolutionary, outside of the Pencil, nothing else really makes it unique. It still runs large screen iPhone apps for the most part, when the developer decides to make one, which Apple itself is very slow to do.

If you are an artist or a writer, you can use as an iPad for your main device. We have 100 articles and challenges saying as much. For everyone else, they can’t.

This is an extremely minor point in the context of everything you’re saying, but don’t all iPhone apps run full-screen? Sometimes I wish I could run two apps side by side in landscape or over and under in portrait on my Pro Max like you can on an iPad.

How does iPadOS lack feature parity with iOS? That’s a strange claim.

I have kept a running note called “What would make iPad serve all my computing needs” for years. It’s essentially a list of things I find for my use cases to be missing or lacking. Every year, I cross off several items. iPadOS has progressed so much that but a few items remain. iPadOS objectively has come a long way. Could one argue that it took longer than it should have? Perhaps, but so what? We’re here.

That there is so much one can do on an iPhone is a compliment to the iPhone, not an indictment of iPadOS. Still, calling an iPad a big iPhone may be true of your use case of the two machines, but it’s not true as a generalization. As just one example, I have professional apps on my iPad that do not run on an iPhone and allow me to do work that some lawyers can’t do without hiring vendors that cost $40k to $100k in a medium-size case.

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Apple apps are available on iOS that are not available on the iPad. A basic app like a calculator you have to download an ad-ridden free app or buy one. I can write a Journal entry on my iPhone but I can’t on my iPad, despite them being on the same OS.I can do almost everything my iPad can do on my iPhone, including Pencil functions using my finger.

Are we? I would agree artists can now use the iPad for a lot of stuff, but unless your job is writing, you probably can’t replace a Mac with an iPad.

I find a lot of the pro-iPad users arguments to be disingenuous. Federico can do amazing things on his iPad! His job is to literally write about the iPad. He writes long shortcuts to make the iPad do what a Mac can. “The Files app looks just like Finder,” yet it does not work the same way as Finder does. You can do a lot of things on the iPad, but it’s just easier to use a Mac.

Which is awesome, and I wish there was more apps like that. Sadly though, we are lucky to get an iPad version of an iPhone in most cases, let alone a full iPad only app. On the other hand, so much stuff is subscription based on iOS, it’s cheaper to user a Mac where that isn’t as bad.

This is helpful to know! The next time I hire a lawyer, I will make sure he or she uses an iPad. The hourly rate should be lower! :rofl:

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My work is primarily writing, and I absolutely, 100% would NEVER want to replace my Mac with an iPad. The ways Apple locks down iOS and apps on my iPhone annoy me. I’d find them intolerable in a laptop replacement. I’d sooner switch back to Windows, and I really don’t like Windows.

An iPad may be more than a big iPhone, but Stage Manager and ability to display two apps side-by-side are pathetic compared to the virtual desktops, flexible windowing abilities, and full file system access of macOS and other desktop operating systems.

And I don’t want or need a touch screen or stylus on a primary writing device.

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Agreed with @HobbyCollector, gotta push back on this post by @RunningBoris. His assertion that the iPad is just a scaled up iPhone ignores the details of the evolution of iPadOS. It comes off to me as either disingenuous or as ignorance of the changes made or a refusal to acknowledge the importance of those changes in the experience of using an iPad.

Really, it’s just silly to make a statement like that because it’s a denial of the actual facts that can be pointed to. Which is to say, there is a very long list of new features that have been added to iPadOS. Now, you can pretend they were not added. Or, you can claim they are somehow not sufficient or did not come soon enough for your liking or add some other caveat based on some personal opinion but this does not change the facts.

But in the real world, out here where people use the iPad, there is a different reality from your assertion that the iPad is just a big iPhone.

There’s a long and always growing list of very advanced, “desktop” quality apps , that you might want to pretend don’t exist but they do. And the list is getting longer and the apps are getting better.

This does not mean that iPadOS is perfect. Of course it’s not. But to look at apps like DaVinci Resolve, LumaFusion and Final Cut Pro and dismiss them as irrelevant because they may not, in some cases, be at 100% feature parity is just silly. And yes, the lack of background exporting is a limitation of iPadOS but that does not negate the existence or usefulness of the app.

I’ve written here and elsewhere many times about using apps like Affinity Publisher or the other Affinity apps. These are full “pro” apps on par with Adobe apps like Indesign, Illustrator and Photoshop. The fact that I can use Publisher while referencing content in Files and 3 - 5 other apps between the iPad screen and an external monitor to design and layout complex annual reports or newsletters is an obvious multitasking workflow that negates your assertions.

Will it work for everyone? Of course not. No matter what operating system someone chooses there are always going to be personal preferences that come into play. Be it Mac, Windows, Linux, Android, iPadOS, etc, there are workflows and apps that are not available across them all, that’s the way it goes. Or, it may be that there are simply differences. A Mac user likely would not enjoy aspects Windows, say, the Windows File Browser. Does that mean it’s broken? Does it mean that it can’t be used? Of course not. A Windows user might find aspects of macOS confusing or difficult but again, that likely says more about what they are used to and prefer.

The quality of the discussion would be improved and would be more interesting if people were not stuck in their preconceived ideas about what’s possible with any particular tool, app or OS.

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I do not find that list to be impressive. I also find a lot of those things don’t work that well. Slide over is difficult to use. Stage Manger I lose screen space for the ability to switch apps slightly quicker. The Files app doesn’t update if you don’t use it, making it unreliable. It also has to rely on apps setting up compatibility with it when it needs to be an underlying core function that is part of the OS.

In the real world, people seem to agree with me. See any of the countless blog posts, podcasts, forums, Reddit, etc. Most people use iPads as entertainment devices. Out of all the people on this forum, we have 2 or 3 people who use an iPad as their main device. People who go all in with as an iPad as their main device seems to be very rare from what I see online and in person. It’s all anecdotal of course.

I can do anything on my iPhone anything that I can do on my iPad. The iPhone does not have some of these Pro apps, sure, but I don’t have any use for those apps anyway. The iPad has some tools to make it easier to manage apps on the screen, but for the most part they have the same OS.

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I’ve read with interest all the ways iPad aficionados and you especially use your iPads in creative and smart ways, and I’m very happy it brings you so much joy and productivity.

But to be fair to @RunningBoris, even the latest iPad Pros with Magic Keyboards seem a lot closer to big iPhones than they do to laptops running full desktop operating systems.

Personally, I’m not frustrated by that, because (apparently like Apple), I don’t see the iPad as a viable substitute for a MacBook, and I don’t care that it isn’t. It has characteristics and features that by design are optimized for a different set of use cases.

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That’s true for me, and unlike an iPad, even a Pro Max fits in my pocket and goes with me everywhere. If I use a Bluetooth keyboard, I can write just as fast on my iPhone as I could on an iPad. And if I’m going to bring something bigger and heavier in a bag, I’ll bring my MacBook.