756: Exploring NotePlan with David Roth

Ahhh. If the task is in the Apple Reminders app (and database), it will not show up in a NotePlan search. You can create a filter to show you all of your Apple Reminders, but I do not believe they would be captured by NotePlan search.

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Thanks, that explains it, and why I don’t believe I’ll have an interest in NP, though I appreciate the app and the developer.

If you make a task in NotePlan for a date in the future search will find it, but I wouldn’t expect it to find a future task in the Reminders database.

Maybe I’m just unaware, but I don’t know of any app that can search the Reminders database. Once you bring a Reminders task into NotePlan, it’s searchable in NotePlan. I don’t think Reminders has the ability to search other app databases either.

I’m not expecting NP to search Reminders. I imported Reminders. I’ve imported/synced Reminders with NP.

I would expect to be able to search for a Reminder task within NP and find it. However, this is not happening. I don’t know if this is a limitation of NP or something I’m doing wrong.

The task in Reminders:

NP Search for “Covid Booster”

When I search for Covid Booster in NP, it shows a 2021 calendar event for my scheduled shot.

Why doesn’t NP show the Reminder task scheduled for Oct. 1, 2024?

Am I doing something wrong?

As near as I can figure, connecting Reminders to NotePlan makes Reminders visible in NotePlan, but it doesn’t actually bring them in.

If you set the sidebar to show Reminders, you can drag a Reminder into one of your notes. That will make it searchable in NotePlan (it will also delete it from Reminders).

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This is also my experience in doing some testing.

However, did you mean to say that when you drag a Reminder into one of your notes, it “checks it as complete in Reminders” instead of “deletes” it? In my experience, it doesn’t delete the task in Reminders; it just checks it off as done in Reminders when you bring it into your daily note.

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I guess I should double-check that. I don’t have Reminders set to show me completed tasks. Either way, dragging it into NotePlan gets it out of the way in Reminders.

But it would be a real problem if it “deleted” a repeating task in Reminders.

Note that it just shows it checked off in the calendar view in NotePlan.

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True!

I didn’t even think about that angle…

So does anyone know if it does?

Dragging a Reminder into NotePlan marks the task as completed.


Reminders Completed NotePlan

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My testing and understanding is that it doesn’t delete, just checks it off as done when you drag it onto your daily note.

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THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL for the World Wide Web, written by Tim Berners-Lee in 1989, is an important piece of internet history. It also can’t be opened on modern computers.

John Graham-Cumming, a British software engineer and writer, attempted to open the Word document containing the proposal. Modern versions of Microsoft Word and Apple’s Pages both utterly failed to open the file, as he outlined in a blog post. The open-source word processor LibreOffice worked, albeit with messy formatting. Graham-Cumming ultimately found a PDF exported by CERN in 1998, which was the only way he was able to see the document as it existed in 1989.

You can use the official Obsidian Importer plugin to convert your Apple Notes to markdown files, and then use them in NotePlan.

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For most of us it’s not so much fear as it is a weighing of the pros and cons of different approaches as well as the types of data, its importance, and how long it will be needed.

Realistically, how many people have not been able to get their data out of a proprietary database? As long as you pick apps that have good export capabilities (which Notes for instance doesn’t have), to me it’s not a big factor in choosing apps to use. It’s one of those kinds of factors that sounds significant in theory, but not much of a factor in practice.

Actually, there’s a big difference in practice, and I notice it every day. When your files are in system folders, especially if they’re in universally readable or widely supported formats like plaintext or PDF, you can just navigate to them in a file manager and open them in any app that supports the file type. There’s no exporting necessary, the files are just there.

Even when an app that uses a proprietary database has a good export feature, it’s still an extra step that takes time and adds friction, and it requires the app to be installed and functional.

If a show-stopping bug in an app like NotePlan or Obsidian makes it unusable, you can still read, edit, and add to your files with any text editor. In an app with a proprietary database, you have to rely on your most recent export, which most people probably don’t even bother to do most of the time.

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The main problem is that no plain text editors can create an experience like what proprietary databases can.

You may say Obsidian is, but there are still so many issues like when you copy and paste images into it, they are saved somewhere but not the same folder as the note:

I can’t find those images especially when I need to edit and even annotate.

Not to mention its sluggish performance in mobile.

NotePlan may be the best but it’s task management.

There are two things: process and (permanent) storage. Plain text can be, of course, future proof and has certain advantages but it doesn’t allow me to create and edit letting my thoughts and ideas flow easily (process).

I would rather prefer process first and at least it helps me grow. Proprietary databases are locked and may have different issues but it at least let me use for a decade.

I understand plain text can work for some people who find text is enough, but not all. I suggest technology should fix this by improving its experience. For me there is still a long long way to go and that’s why people still choose proprietary databases.

Weighing between pros and cons, proprietary databases and plain text, I tried so many apps and even tried using iA Writer as a note taking and writing app, but currently Apple Notes is helpful in my daily life at this moment, and I would backup important data when needed.

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I took the plunge thanks to this episode. I’ve been an OmniFocus + DEVONthink user since ~2010 but I’ve been missing an effective quick reference app. Apple Notes is (increasingly) effective but I’m allergic to apps which don’t have robust data export options (if you can’t get the data out, it’s not your data).

So far, I’m really getting on well with NotePlan. I’ve got a nice workflow with NotePlan and Busycal, and exploring whether I can actually migrate away from OmniFocus since my working contexts are not as complicated as they used to be.

Anyone else had success consolidating their notes and GTD system like this?

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In Obsidian’s settings you can easily control where your attached images automatically go:

My point wasn’t that no one should ever use proprietary databases. It’s that individual files stored in system folders have real, day to day and long term advantages.

Proprietary databases also have advantages, especially for relatively short term use. That’s why they’re so popular with devs and users.

As good as Bear and its export feature were, I never want to go back to a database for my important, long-term writing, notes, or pkm. But I can see why you have different preferences, because you value different things than I do.

Off topic obviously, but I can’t reproduce the behavior you’re seeing here. When I paste an image it goes into the designated folder (set via the settings mentioned by @Synchronicity).

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I follow @Synchronicity setting and the result is the same:

  • Copy contents from Apple Notes will result in attachments stored somewhere but you don’t know where literally.

  • Copy from web: sometimes just a link, sometimes yes an image finally but it is embedded from web.

No doubt Apple Notes is doing very well in copy and paste from anywhere. Bear too. Even Evernote and Notion and Craft cannot copy texts with images at the same time. You may try export or copy image one by one.

I do advocate plain text, but the experience so far is rather disappointing. But I also know proprietary database can change their ways of doing. Evernote used to be able to copy and paste like Apple Notes, but 4 years ago they acted like Notion and Craft.

If one day I have to give up proprietary database and choose one app, I think I will prefer iA Writer.