Apple scrambles to quash iOS app sideloading demands with 'think of the children' defense

Compared to Android?

This is not. This is by design. You know what you are buying into. If you donā€™t want that, donā€™t buy that. Thatā€™s how the market works. (And do remember Iā€™m French, which is supposed to be socialist or something.)

some people are scared of freedom.

Okay, Iā€™ll be done here. :roll_eyes: Have a good day / night.

Didnt you watch Episode IIIā€¦ all that thunderous applause for a ā€œsafe and secure empireā€? :grinning:

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Well, despite being an SF writer by trade, I try to take my philosophy from other sources than Star Wars. :wink:

this is cool. Id like to talk to you about it some time.

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But, if you buy Windows 11 you can ā€œside loadā€ Android apps. :slight_smile:

DMs are open, feel free to drop by! :+1:

IMO, Marco Arment is probably right that Appleā€™s biggest problem is requiring everyone use their in-app payment system.

If Apple would stop channeling Gordon Gekko and let devs have a choice of payment systems the calls for side loading might disappear.

Iā€™m not sure what it is although I did just read about it on Wikipedia. Sideloading are apps not bought through the App Store which Apple makes technically unavailable? If thatā€™s the case, wouldnā€™t the more technical savvy among you already be able to do it?

I guess Iā€™d then be MORE likely to go to the App Store unless it was an app I really wanted and you guys (and gals) recommended it.

Social Democrat, maybe! Iā€™d never ever know you were from France, Your English is terrific!

Jeā€™n parle pas franƧaisā€¦un peu. I took one course and enjoyed it!

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Hey thanks a lot! I still cringe more than once when I see stupid mistakes go through my posts (or I catch them aeons later). I started English when I was a kid, near kindergarten age, which helps.

That and a lot of Star Trek. :grin:

Le franƧais est une langue vraiment bizarre par moments. :grin:

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Allowing side-loaded apps, thereby removing Appleā€™s control (even though imperfect) over allowable apps on IOS devices, could be disastrous. Bad actors would ultimately prevail in destroying, or at least bypassing, the privacy and security controls developed by Apple over the years.

You might recall that in January 2019 Apple exercised the ā€œNuclear Optionā€ and pulled Facebookā€™s enterprise developer certificate. Under the guise of creating an enterprise-only ā€œresearchā€ app, Facebook actually distributed the app to non-employees between the ages of 13 to 35. This app manipulated and bribed (serial $20 gift cards) teenagers and adults to gain access to larges swaths of user data and obtained root access to network traffic in violation of Apple policy so the social network could decrypt and analyze their phone activity. Only because of the action taken by Apple, Facebook was forced to back down and discontinue the app in order to regain its enterprise certificate. Note that this was only a few months after Apple barred Facebookā€™s Onavo app that voraciously vacuumed up usersā€™ app usage data to provide Facebook espionage into mobile trends of app usage. Facebook deviously touted this Onavo app as a VPN that would protect users and ā€œkeep you and your data safeā€.

The only impediment to these and other egregious acts by unscrupulous developers (like Facebook) is Apple, with its privacy/security features and control over the App Store. If not Apple, who would stand up to deep-pocketed bad actors?

Admittedly, Appleā€™s App Store control is a blunt tool that has unintended consequences such as the situation described by @OogieM. But if thatā€™s what it takes to thwart unscrupulous developers and maintain some degree of privacy and safety over the IOS ecosystem, Iā€™m all in favor of it. Can you imagine what would happen if the likes of Facebook were given free rein to install intrusive app features through side-loaded apps, free of Appleā€™s limited control? I hold a certain degree of trust for Appleā€™s corporate culture, but absolutely none for Facebookā€™s thoroughly corrupt business model.

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At which point the employee should insist that organization requiring the un-certified software must also provide the hardware that they demand must have that un-certified software.

Not on my personal device should be a rather obvious counter statement.

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I agree with you that you should absolutely push back against any organisation that requires you to put software on your personal device. I have a work phone and there is zero personal use on it from me.

Walmart are currently rolling out free hardware to employees with interesting (though contested) privacy concerns raised. My worry is that there will be people whoā€™s job stability and socio-economic status make them unable to push back against organisations that may start to insist on this sort of thing on personal devices. Thinking about it, thatā€™s probably a wider issue than Apple and the App Store at any rate.

At least in the US, as per a recent Supreme Court decision we can always hope for a cheerleader to counter such infractions. I do not doubt that personal liberty will win the day if so.

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Cā€™est difficile prononcer.

I taught bilingual Spanish for about twenty five years to primary students. Loved it and especially them. I also taught adults Mexican immigrants for a year. They were super eager to speak the language. All we did was laugh.

I can usually pick up if someone is not a native. :blush:

Iā€™m the same way. I go crazy if I make errors in Spanish but in English I donā€™t give a flying ratā€™s patootie (probably because I DO know whatā€™s right).

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Easy solution, donā€™t use facebook. So not a problem for me.

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Not just ā€œtechnicallyā€, at least not in a minor way. You have to hack your operating system to load anything thatā€™s not through the app store, and that carries risks.

I would be more on board with sideloading as a ā€œuser rightā€ if the government also protected the ability of the employee to decide ā€œnot on my personal deviceā€. ā€œYou canā€™t make me install your horrible software on my personal deviceā€ seems like a more important right than the ability to install hypothetical software that isnā€™t available via the App Store.

Based on what Iā€™m seeing online, in about half of the US employers can still require that you hand over your social media usernames/passwords as a condition of employment. The federal government is silent on the topic. The only laws that prohibit it are a patchwork of individual regulations on the state level.

Schools arenā€™t really any better. A number of universities require students to install test proctoring software on their personal laptops, which makes the laptops very sluggish and presents privacy concerns.

Iā€™d say first protect the rights of users to not have their privacy invaded in the course of necessary activities (school, work), then letā€™s talk about opening up the ecosystem to the smallish handful of apps that wouldnā€™t make it through App Review. :slight_smile:

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