First impression: Craft note-taking

Any kind of link works in Obisidian, even URL schemes, so direct links to emails form Apple Mail, Spark, Airmail and the like will work just as fine as DT ones :slightly_smiling_face:

I’m using Obsidian for everything now, regular note taking, Zettelkasten, journaling and even lists of stuff I want to read or watch. I’m basically navigating it mostly via quick open and have a Keyboard Maestro macro that opens it from everywhere on my system; I don’t even have to remember where the notes are, I just type a few words and they come up. My vaults can be as messy as they want, it works beautifully and I barely put any kind of order there - only when I feel the need. Things that need to grow will grow on their own!

(If you’re interested in deeper PKM workflows, I would recommend the Linking Your Thinking workshop by Nick Milo - so, so much better than BASB)

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DEAR GOD I HOPE YOU ARE RIGHT AND THEY ARE GOOD

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Yes, I’ve been testing them and so far so good. :slight_smile:

@anon85228692 thanks for the input; I’ll check out Linking Your Thinking workshop by Nick Milo. I’ve been using Obsidian for research note linking and it works well for that. The biggest issue I’m running into is when I try to use it effectively on the iPad. I took several of my Craft notes and recreated them with links in Obsidian. They work perfectly on MBP and in DT but, some of the links do not work when I try them in 1Writer, which is the app I understand I should use until Obsidian releases a mobile version. Have you run into similar limitations? What do you use on mobile for Obsidian?

I’ve been following @ryanjamurphy advice and using Noteplan as my iOS Obsidian client. Sync is awesome and search is instantaneous, but there are a lot of features on Obsidian Editor there are lacking in Noteplan.

Still, it’s probably the most reliable way to access and create notes on Obsidian.

If you want to give it a spin, there’s the link to Ryan’s excellent tutorial:
https://forum.obsidian.md/t/using-noteplan-as-an-obsidian-companion-iphone-and-ipad-compatibility/7699

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Who says the mobile apps shouldn’t be long now? I’ve searched for their updates in Discord and have found nothing outside of a confirmation that they’re on the road map…at some point.

“Soon” and so on are never timelines you should depend on.

That said, they’ve said they’re aiming to work on it in early 2021, and I believe they’ve started on it.

Edit: You don’t need to take my word for it after all: https://discord.com/channels/686053708261228577/771575014382108672/796118837841756230

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It does look like they’ve started on it, but it’s still “very far”. I really like Obsidian, but if you work on an iPad a bunch you loose most of what there is to like about it.

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I’ve asked on the supporter channel. Among the last two big roadmaps items remaining, WISYWYG edition and mobile apps, I’ve been told the latter will come first. That’s why I’m saying “soon” (it’s a Blizzard “soon”) but we know how fast they work.

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Sorry, I’m not using Obsidian on mobile, I’m just using Drafts for capture at the moment. Since I’m stuck at home I don’t have a need to explore this yet, so I’ll be using the mobile apps when they come out.

I’ve decided to give Craft a try instead of Curio for planning research, mainly because it works on iOS, and I’m really impressed so far. I recreated all of my Curio projects and everything was easily migrated (with a lot of copying and pasting). I like the interface so far, and have no issues with using it. Having all my data shared across my devices will be awesome.

@Rob_Polding thus far your experience with Craft is mine. I also like the fact that one can bulk export all Craft files in multiple formats. This is critical and far more robust than Obsidian.

Export Options
Markdown, TextBndle, PDF, and MS Word.

Result
Notice that Craft retains the folder structure when doing a bulk export.

While I like Obsidian, I found significant limitations yesterday, e.g., trying to share out or even copy a formatted markdown file. It was not possible to copy the formatted markdown file. As an example, I took an Obsidian note and wanted to share it to Mail, or at least copy and paste the formatted markdown file to a Mail message, but could not find a way to do so from Obsidian. I could copy and paste the markdown file with no problem but I don’t want to send professional emails in markdown. I could be missing something but if not, the inability to easily share out a formatted markdown file from Obsidian limits its usefulness as a note taking app.

While Crafts Share Sheet extension is missing within the app, the developer told me that that is a feature currently being worked on (I gave him specific input on this feature) as well as the ability to create tables. Moreover, Craft’s linking features are robust enough to serve as both a decent PKM system and work related note taking app.

At this point, it seems that Craft meets most of my needs with new features coming. I haven’t figured out if it is possible to index Craft files to DEVONthink, which would be ideal but not necessary.

I explored Curio but it was too fiddly for my purposes.

For those interested in a good overview, this YouTube video is a a good place to start:

Obsidian does not have robust export capabilities because it does not need to: it has Markdown files living on your disk. Just fire up your Markdown editor of choice and share or export things from there. It’s like DEVONthink in that regard. Its job is not to be a full document editing suite but a knowledge repository; there are many options for more advanced formatting and sharing and they work out of the box.

You could even have Ulysses index your vault (be careful to not have it erase the Obisidan formatting upon import though, as it will want to take over your notes with its own brand of Markdown)

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Good point! I use iA Writer so that would be easy. I also use Ulysses but I’ll restrict that to medium and long form writing.

Thanks for the reminder!

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My pleasure – I often have to remind this myself too whenever I bump into text limitations with Obsidian! But it’s very easy to actually jump into other editors whenever you need. :slight_smile:

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Craft’s website lists the entry-level cost at $39/month with an annual payment, or more with monthly payments.

I am really puzzled by the reception it has gotten at that price.

Can someone clarify?

I really want to try this out and migrate from Evernote. But without a website parser and be able to save an article from a website to the app, I still can’t move away from Evernote. So, I’ll keep a eye on Craft but definitely not for me especially with the price they are asking compared to the value I’m getting from Evernote and Bear (which also can parse web articles).

The App Store lists a yearly subscription at 45€/ year, the website says $3.75 per month? You might be confusing with another “craft” product (there’s a lot with that name). See https://craft.do

That is correct. And, I was able to secure the academic pricing which is even lower. :slight_smile:

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Thank you - that explains my mistake. I was looking at craft.io - yes, that’s quiite a difference!

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