That’s definitely better. Still, I haven’t seen any compelling reasons I’d want to switch from Bitwarden.
As you may already know Passwords, at its core, is Keychain that was introduced on the Mac over 20 years ago. Apple has given it a new UI, changed the way it is organized, and added some support for Windows.
Keychain was created to manage passwords. And Passkeys is a relatively new replacement for Passwords from the FIDO Alliance that Apple has added to Keychain/Passwords
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Yep, I knew all that. I’m just trying to figure out why everyone suddenly seems so excited about Passwords, given that these all seem to be relatively minor changes from the functionality of Keychain. It mostly seems to be dressing up Keychain in a new set of clothes.
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I thought you might, but I threw in the extra detail for others that might not. This forum comes up frequently when I search on Google 
I’m a 1Password user so I have no interest in Passwords. I removed the few items I had in Keychain in February 2023 when the WSJ ran the story about people stealing iPhones.
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Out of interest, in what way is it clunky for you?
After years of being a very happy 1Password customer, I’m increasingly frustrated by its poor form-filling in Safari on macOS (Sonoma).
Is anyone else experiencing ~5s delays from unlocking to filling, or the Safari plugin not recognising that 1P is already unlocked?
I’ve tried disabling other plugins (Stop The Madness Pro), but it hasn’t helped. That reminds me; I must screen-record a test example and bug-report it…
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For the past year or so I’ve found the Safari plug-in to be somewhat wonky, but not always so. It seems to work fine on Firefox. Not sure what the Safari issue is, but it’s definitely an “issue”.
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1Password has started failing to work for me now and then without any rhyme or reason. Sometimes it fails to authenticate/unlock, sometimes the extension just doesn’t work.
I’m currently doing a trial run of Passwords for two purposes:
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Giving it an honest try.
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As a way to prune my passwords.
For the second, I started with moving all of the passwords I had in Passwords (not much, but some) into 1 Passwords to back them up. Then I deleted everything from Passwords and started fresh. I disabled 1Password etc. Any time I needed to sign into a new website that wasn’t saved in Passwords, I manually copy and pasted the password from 1Password and then deleted the password in 1Password to clear it out.
I figure any passwords I have remaining by the time my 1Password comes for renewal are useless as I’ve never needed to sign in to them for close to a year.
So far, I like Password’s native integration over 1Password’s extension.
I also like Password’s 2FA code fill vs 1Password’s method of copying it to clipboard and requiring to manually paste it.
I don’t like how Password doesn’t have groups, or a way to not suggest certain passwords. This is difficult for things like how I have my mother’s Google account password saved (she’s not a tech person) but I don’t want it to ever suggest me to log on to that account.
I don’t like that credit cards don’t save the CVC code either. I have a few credit cards that I never carry, it just sits locked in my drawer. I use them occasionally for some purchases. 1Password’s CC autofill fills in all the details while Passwords doesn’t do the CVC code which is just very annoying.
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I have not looked into it much but have seen 1PW automatically fill in 2FA codes on some sites. I seem to recall a pop up in at least Firefox from the extension talking about auto fill enhancements
It also works perfectly on Edge and Chrome. I’ve had enough problems with some sites working in Safari that I’ve basically stopped using it on my Mac.
I currently use Edge on my Mac when I have a problem with Safari on my iPad, which is my primary computer.
Same here. That is one thing holding me back. Another is putting all my eggs in one basket, like others have motioned. But will keep an eye on the Password app.
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I’m trying out Apple Passwords as a replacement for 1Passwords (which renews in December). My impressions so far (I hope I’m incorrect on some of these):
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Apple Passwords only stores passwords, passkeys, and wifi networks. Nothing else…there are no templates for storing credit card info, passport info, social security numbers, notes etc.
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Speaking of wifi networks, you cannot manually CREATE a wifi network record in Apple Passwords. It only stores those you have connected to. This is unfortunate since I have several important networks that are missing. Furthermore, 1Password’s export feature doesn’t seem to export wifi information, so I have no way of getting these networks into Apple Password. Maybe I just haven’t found out how to do it yet.
Apple passwords works fairly well for passwords only. Otherwise, it is limited. But maybe this is expected for a version 1. I don’t think it will replace 1Password for me, but I’ll keep exploring.
I had a major issue with 1Password where I think I inadvertently replaced my security key thinking I was simply redownloading the old notice. I cannot access the functionality now. I hate the fact that 1Password only has email support and I cannot talk to a real person on the phone. To me that’s a big downside as I can always get help with Apple (2 local apple stores). I’m seriously thinking of abandoning 1Password altogether.
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I would argue, that a problem like that you wouldn’t get much help from the Apple Store. The employees never to seem to have anymore knowhow on the software side of things than what I could find online. Also, if it is security related, they will tell you they can’t help you.
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I had a funny interaction this week. A family friend: “I just saved my first two-factor code! Now that Apple has released an amazing password manager, people can finally stop using text message codes. You should start using a password manager.”
This is after years of gently suggesting 1Password/LastPass/Bitwarden/anything and being ignored. My feeble skills have no power compared to the dark side Apple marketing.
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I met a lady once who carried around with her a sheet of paper with all her passwords. I suggested she get a password manager on her phone and she told me about how insecure password managers are. I didn’t even bother to try to explain it to her. 
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I migrated to Passwords from 1Password a couple of months ago. I’ve had no difficulties and prefer to use Passwords. It meets all of my needs.
In almost every discussion on this topic at least one person brings up the “all eggs in one basket” objection. I’d point out that having all of one’s passwords in 1Password is also a form of having “all eggs in one basket.”
My sense is this is that this is the kind of objection that sounds reasonable in theory, but quickly breaks down in practice. Do you have all of your photos in Apple’s one iCloud basket? How about all your notes in Notes, or all your tasks in Reminders? Or all of your documents in iCloud? Apparently most users have no compunction about keeping all of there other types of eggs in Apple’s system.
I wrote a blog post about my transitioning from 1 Password to Passwords: Switching from 1Password to Apple Passwords and Access: A Seamless and Affordable Alternative - Original Mac Guy
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Isn’t this whole argument moot (for everything you mentioned) if you have proper backups? All though I guess with passwords, you could end up like @christamms above and lock yourself out of your password app, in that case, the egg thing really does ring true unlike the others you mentioned.
That’s what’s important.
I’ve been using 1Password for 16 years and would miss features like travel mode. And I’ve used it on windows from time to time. I have no reason to change.
Yes, youre correct. I didn’t mention that in the post here but I did in my blog post.
I think the 1Password fans are just keeping quiet on this thread, for the most part.